A-7F in the 60's - a supersonic Corsair II

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As said in the title. The A-7F was a terrific bomb truck but 1985 was way too late.
Now back to 1963 and VAL.
Whatif the A-7 had stuck with the Crusader reheat and supersonic speed ? not the J57 of course but an afterburning TF-41, very much the F-4K engine into the A-7 airframe.
Some developments
- same USN USAF procurement as per OTL
A-7 A/B/D/E
- In Vietnam its supersonic speed help replacing the F-105s at far lower cost than Phantom and F-111s
- since OTL A7F was born out of the Whartog being too slow, then ITTL 1972 the A-10 is stillborn and 700 more A-7s are build for CAS.
- Vought now has a multirole supersonic successor to the Crusader and this may impact the short ranged Hornet down the line...
- naval variant can provide air defence from Essex carriers like Oriskany replacing the old Crusaders
- in 1970 Vought scrap the V-1000 and pitch a multirole A-7 against the F-5E for IFA. While the Tiger II win, performance wise the A-7 attracts a lot of interest.
 

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Folks, I've just checked the 1962 tri-service designations and bar F-4 F-5 and F-8 most of the others are old types, even bogus. Never realized that the F-7 was the convair Sea Dart, although it stopped flying in 1957, 5 years before.
Might be fun to rebrand the A-7 Corsair II F-7 or F/A-7, Hornet style of course (the irony !)
 

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As said in the title. The A-7F was a terrific bomb truck but 1985 was way too late.
Now back to 1963 and VAL.
Whatif the A-7 had stuck with the Crusader reheat and supersonic speed ? not the J57 of course but an afterburning TF-41, very much the F-4K engine into the A-7 airframe.
Some developments
- same USN USAF procurement as per OTL
A-7 A/B/D/E
- In Vietnam its supersonic speed help replacing the F-105s at far lower cost than Phantom and F-111s
- since OTL A7F was born out of the Whartog being too slow, then ITTL 1972 the A-10 is stillborn and 700 more A-7s are build for CAS.
- Vought now has a multirole supersonic successor to the Crusader and this may impact the short ranged Hornet down the line...
- naval variant can provide air defence from Essex carriers like Oriskany replacing the old Crusaders
- in 1970 Vought scrap the V-1000 and pitch a multirole A-7 against the F-5E for IFA. While the Tiger II win, performance wise the A-7 attracts a lot of interest.

A bit like this:
 

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in 1970 Vought scrap the V-1000 and pitch a multirole A-7 against the F-5E for IFA. While the Tiger II win, performance wise the A-7 attracts a lot of interest.
The A-7F would be a modification of an in production design, unlike the V-1000/F-8 which I'd say is a major plus. An after-burning version of the TF41 would put out something around 23 to 26,000 lb.f of thrust? With the LERX and new flaps, low speed handling and landing performance should have been enhanced. Visibility for air to air combat would be equal to the F-8 and subpar against anything with a bubble canopy, though a VTAS helmet could even the odds?

Cost is still your biggest issue, though its capabilities are well beyond the F-5E. If you could get a demonstrator flying before 1972 or earlier, LTV should be able to win a few orders and lobby Congress to purchase more as well. Maybe get the Shah to fund it?
 

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In which case why not consider the Vought V-456 Attack Crusader as the basis of the design, as it's already based on the supersonic design, as opposed to turning the subsonic A-7 design into a supersonic aircraft.....

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In which case why not consider the Vought V-456 Attack Crusader as the basis of the design, as it's already based on the supersonic design, as opposed to turning the subsonic A-7 design into a supersonic aircraft.....

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Never heard about this one, which year ? if 1964 and beyond, A-7 is already in the place... but I surely love the Crusader.
 

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In which case why not consider the Vought V-456 Attack Crusader as the basis of the design, as it's already based on the supersonic design, as opposed to turning the subsonic A-7 design into a supersonic aircraft.....

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Never heard about this one, which year ? if 1964 and beyond, A-7 is already in the place... but I surely love the Crusader.
Archibald, nor had I heard of the Vought V-456 Attack Crusader until I purchased the incredibly informative book Vought F-8 Crusader: Development of the Navy's first supersonic jet fighter by William D. Spidle, Specialty Press, Forest Lake, MN (2017), as emphasised by this wind tunnel model from the book:

P.S. as to the designs time frame, the V-456 was started in 1962.

Hope this gives food forthought.

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Perhaps the A-7D could be ordered as the supersonic variant? For whatever reason the Air Force demands supersonic performance to replace the F-105 and F-100 thinking they’d get more F-4s or F-111s, but congress forces the A-7 as a jobs program and/or lobbying?
 

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In which case why not consider the Vought V-456 Attack Crusader as the basis of the design, as it's already based on the supersonic design, as opposed to turning the subsonic A-7 design into a supersonic aircraft.....

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Pioneer

Never heard about this one, which year ? if 1964 and beyond, A-7 is already in the place... but I surely love the Crusader.
Archibald, nor had I heard of the Vought V-456 Attack Crusader until I purchased the incredibly informative book Vought F-8 Crusader: Development of the Navy's first supersonic jet fighter by William D. Spidle, Specialty Press, Forest Lake, MN (2017), as emphasised by this wind tunnel model from the book:

P.S. as to the designs time frame, the V-456 was started in 1962.

Hope this gives food forthought.

Regards
Pioneer
the attack crusader would also carry a LOT of sidewinders...that would not suck
 

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