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Here is a topic for the aircraft made in Spain by the companies related to Hispano.

Aircraft built by CECA (Compañía Española de Construcciones Aeronáuticas) in Santander, closely related to La Hispano Suiza:
- CECA-MS or CECA-Saulnier, Morane-Saulnier BB made under license with Hispano V-8 engine, 12 built, 1916
- (Trimotor Acedo), no-name three-engine flying boat for transatlantic flight, some parts made but aircraft never completed, 1916
Aircraft designed by Barrón for La Hispano in Guadalajara:
- Hispano-Barrón no-name observation biplane, prototype, 1919
- Hispano-Barrón no-name fighter biplane, prototype, 1919

Aircraft built under license by La Hispano Aircraft, later La Hispano, in Guadalajara:
- Airco DH.6 or E-180 (Entrenamiento or Escuela, 180cv), 45 built with Hispano 180hp engine, 1921
- Airco DH.9, 200 built with Hispano 300hp engine, 1922-28
- Hispano-Albatros, Hispano 300hp engine, one prototype, perhaps an old Albatros aircraft refurbished, 1923
- Potez 25, license production was planned but abandoned, 1925
- Nieuport 52, Hispano 12 Hb 500hp, 100 built, 1928
- Hawker Spanish Fury, Hispano 12 Xbrs, license production of 50 was planned but cancelled in 1936

Aircraft designed by La Hispano in Guadalajara:
- AET-Roa, sesquiplane designed by Vicente Roa, Hispano 300hp engine, prototype started but not completed, 1926
- E-30 (Entrenamiento or Escuela, 1930), two-seat parasol-wing monoplane trainer, designed by André Bédoiseau:
-- first prototype called E-30 H, with Hispano 8 Ab
-- second prototype with Hispano 9 Qa
-- third prototype, STOL version with Handley-Page slats and flaps
-- 28 series production aircraft with Hispano 9 Qd
- E-303 (or E-303 H or HS-303), larger armed version with Hispano 14 AA, not built
- HS-34 (or E-34, for Entrenamiento or Escuela, 1934), two-seat biplane trainer, designed by Vicente Roa, 2 prototypes built, 25 series aircraft started, of which only one was completed in Guadalajara, 4 were completed by SAF-5 in Alicante, and another was assembled from spare parts by La Hispano Suiza in Sevilla after the Civil War
- C-36 (Caza, 1936), monoplane fighter with Hispano 14 HA, designed by Enrique Corbella, some parts built by SAF-5 in Alicante
- RBL-36 (Reconocimiento y Bombardeo Ligero, 1936), monoplane observation and light bomber with Hispano 14 HA, designed by Enrique Corbella, not built

Aircraft built under license or modified by SAF-5, later SAF-15, in Alicante (ex-La Hispano):
- Fokker C.X, one prototype built with Russian M-100 engine, 25 series aircraft started but not completed
- Fokker D.XXI, one prototype built with Russian M-25 engine, 50 series aircraft started but not completed
- Polikarpov I-16, 50 built, some of which were completed after the Civil War
- Focke-Wulf Fw.56 Stösser, one aircraft modified with Hispano 9 Qa, four others planned
- Dewoitine D.510, two aircraft modified with Russian M-100 engine
- Vultee V-1A, six aircraft militarized with machine guns and bombs

Aircraft of foreign design built by La Hispano Suiza in Sevilla:
- HS-132 L, license production verions of the Fiat CR.32, 100 built
- Fiat G.50, license production planned but cancelled
- Fiat CR.32 doble mando, two-seat trainer version, 31 aircraft modified, of which 29 were Italian-built and 2 were HS-132 L
- project to modify the CR.32 with different engines: Hispano 12 Xbrs, 14 AA or 14 AB

Derivatives of the Bf 109, designed and built by La Hispano Suiza or La Hispano Aviación in Sevilla :
- Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-1 (sometimes wrongly reported as Bf 109 F), one German aircraft transformed in Barcelona with Hispano 12 Z
- HA-1109 J.1L or JL (first called Bf 109 J or Me 109 J), with Hispano 12 Z
- HA-1109 K.1L, with Hispano 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M, unarmed
- HA-1109 K.2L, K.3L and K.4L (unconfirmed), prototype armed variants of the HA-1109 K.1L
- HA-1109 M.1L, same as HA-1109 K.1L with RR Merlin
- HA-1109 M.2L and M.3L, studies for armed variants of the HA-1109 M.1L
- HA-1110 K.1L, two prototype two-seat aircraft with 12 Z-M
- HA-1110 M.1L or HA-1112 M.4L (depending on the source), the two HA-1110 K.1L modified with RR Merlin
- HA-1111 K.1L, study for a single-seat version with 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M and wing tip tanks
- HA-1112 K.1L, single-seat version with 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M, wing cannons, rockets and wing fences
For those aircraft, the main number (1109, 1110, 1111, 1112) seems to correspond to the airframe variant :
- 1109 = unmodified airframe
- 1110 = two-seater
- 1111 = wings modified for wing tip tanks
- 1112 = wings further reinforced for wing armament, and addition of wing fences
The first letter (J, K, L) corresponds to the engine :
- J = Hispano 12 Z (type 89)
- K = Hispano 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M
- M = RR Merlin
The only designation which does not fit this scheme is HA-1112 M.4L. It is not used by Lage, who gives HA-1110 M.1L instead.
Military designation was C.4-J with Hispano engine and C.4-K with Merlin (single-seat and two-seat versions alike).

Aircraft designed by La Hispano Suiza in Sevilla:
- HS-40, evolution of the pre-war E-303, not built, c.1940, no data
- HS-41, perhaps a new name for the modified HS-34 assembled from spare parts in 1941
- HS-42, two-seat monoplane trainer, 1942:
-- originally planned with HS-93 engine (itself not built), also planned with Argus As-410
-- two prototypes with Piaggio P-VII
-- HS-42 A, first series with Piaggio P-VII, 15 built
-- HS-42 B, with Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah XXV and sliding canopy, 48 built, one of which was completed as HS-43 B / HA-43 B
-- HS-42 C, planned with Elizalde Sirio, not built
-- HS-42 D.1, similar to the HS-42 B with Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah XXVII, 10 built
-- HS-42 D.2, similar, 27 built
-- HS-42 D.3, 12 ex-HS-42 A refurbished with Cheetah XXVII
-- HS-42 D.4, 13 built, with Cheetah XXVII, ordered as HA-43 D but completed with fixed landing gear
- HS-43 or HA-43, evolution of the HS-42 with retractable landing gear:
-- HS-43 B or HA-43 B, first prototype taken from the HS-42 B production, first flight in 1948
-- HA-43 C, series version planned with Elizalde Sirio, not built
-- HA-43 B.1, later HA-43 D, with Cheetah XXVII, modified HA-43 B prototype and 2 additional built, remaining aircraft completed as HS-42 D.4
- HS-50, single-seat fighter designed by Émile Dewoitine as D.600, with HS-89 12-Z engine, c.1941-43, not built but for a full scale mock-up and the landing gear assembly
- HS-60, two-engine trainer and light bomber, with HS-93 engines, c.1942, not built

The aircraft branch became La Hispano Aviación in 1943, and the prefix was switched from HS to HA, from the HA-43 onwards.

Aircraft designed by La Hispano Aviación in Sevilla:
- HA-100 Triana, two-seat armed trainer, military designation XE-12, serial production cancelled :
-- HA-100 E-1 Triana, with ENMASA Beta engine, studied from 1952, two prototypes built, first flew in 1953
-- HA-100 F-1 Triana, same with Wright Cyclone, two prototypes built, first flew in 1955
- HA-110 C-1, same but unarmed, with ENMASA Sirio, studied from 1952, two unfinished prototypes, military designation XE-13
- HA-120 R-1, jet derivative of the HA-100, with Turbomeca Marboré II, studied from 1952
- HA-200 Saeta, jet trainer:
-- HA-200 R-1, evolved from the HA-120, two prototypes, military designation XE-14, first flight in 1955, and 10 preseries aircraft
-- HA-200 A, series production version for Spain, 30 built, military designation E-14 A, first delivered in 1962
-- HA-200 B Al Kahira, armed version for Egypt, 5 built in Spain from 1959 (some say that they were ex-preseries HA-200 R-1), others assembled or built in Egypt (at least 46, some say 90)
-- HA-200 C, planned single-seat variant, c.1957
-- HA-200 D, second series production version for Spain, 55 built, military designation E-14 B, first delivered in 1965
-- HA-200 E, evolution of the HA-200 D incorporating features from the HA-210 such as the Marboré VI and the new air intake, with underwing armament and other minor changes, one prototype built, first flight in 1965 ; the HA-200 D were later upgraded with military designation C-10 B, incorporating some modifications of the HA-200 E
-- HA-200 F, planned single-seat variant of the HA-200 for light attack, c.1966
-- HA-200 G, perhaps the first name of the HA-220, c.1968
- HA-210, planned evolution of the HA-200 with Marboré VI, ejection seats, new canopy, new air intake and other modifications, c.1963
- HA-220 Super Saeta, single-seat light attack evolution of the HA-200 E, with the Marboré VI and new air intake, first flight in 1970, 25 built, military designation C-10 C
- HA-230 R-1, four-seat liaison aircraft project, based of the HA-200, military designation XL-11, date unclear, between 1956 and 1959
- HA-231 R-1, six-seat project, evolved from the HA-230, same military designation XL-11, date unclear, between 1956 and 1960
- HA-300, supersonic fighter, studied from 1953, program cancelled and sold to Egypt in 1959, three prototypes completed in Helwan, with first flight in 1964, fourth prototype unfinished, program terminated in 1969
- HA-300 P or P-300, other names for the HA-23 P glider
- HA-310, two-engine variant of the HA-300, project only, c.1957
- HA-400, cargo aircraft project with four RR Dart-7 turbomotors, c.1958
- HA-500 Alacrán, light attack and CO-IN twin jet project, with short take-off, 1967-69, proposed concurrently with the Messerschmitt Me-400 designed in Germany, of quite similar characteristics
- HA-23 P, glider aircraft, flying mock-up for the HA-300, one prototype, flown in 1959
- HA-23, internal name for the HA-300 :
-- HA-23 I, the first unarmed prototype
-- HA-23 II, planned second prototype, with armament
- HA-25, two-seat jet trainer project, 1971, became the CASA C-101 Aviojet after merge with CASA
- HA-56, six-seat business jet project, developed after the HA-231, with new fuselage and two turbofans, two engine configurations were successively contemplated, 1960-61
- HA-57, single-seat light attack variant of the HA-200 with Marboré VI, c.1960, one fuselage built
- HA-60 Super Saeta, all new design for single-seat light attack aircraft, at least three configurations were contemplated, c.1961

Aircraft of foreign design built by La Hispano Aviación in Sevilla:
- SIAT-223 Flamingo, first Spanish-built aircraft flew in 1972, 50 built in total after merge with CASA
- Bölkow Bo-209 Monsun, licence production planned but cancelled

The company was finally merged into CASA in 1972.


Main sources:
- Hispano-Suiza 1904-1972 – Hombres, empresas, motores y aviones by Manuel Lage, LID, 2003, ISBN 8488717296, or its English version Hispano Suiza in Aeronautics: Men, Companies, Engines and Aircraft, SAE International, 2003, ISBN 0768009979
- "El cuarteto De Havilland: Rolls/Escuela/Hispano/Napier", by José Warleta Carrillo, in Aeroplano no.5, 1987
- "Eduardo Barrón y Ramos de Sotomayor", by José Warleta Carrillo, in Aeroplano no.6, 1989
- Les Messerschmitt espagnols, Avions special issue no.5
 
As an add-on to the above, you'll notice that there were various designation systems used for Hispano projects:
- an early system based on the year and mission: E-30, E-34, C-36, RBL-36
- the HS series was originally based on the year (HS-34 to HS-42) but also evolved on its own (HS-50, HS-60)
- the HA-43 simply followed the HS-42
- the main HA series jumped at hundreds for new designs: HA-100 to HA-500
- the HA-56, 57, 60 are unclear, they may correspond to the year but there are discrepancies
- the HA-23 and HA-25 are internal designations, perhaps after all previous designs were renumbered in retrospect from 1 onwards
 
Hi, I found this pics about the Barròn fighters in a Spanish magazine called "Revista Aeroplano" (no. 20/2002) you can free download at this link


Ah Ps. I have found even this article, from unknown source for me, talking about the Barròn triplane fighter: http://www.ejercitodelaire.mde.es/stweb/ea/ficheros/pdf/9F3C73D4C2C732E5C1257C99003F6222.pdf


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Here is a topic for the aircraft made in Spain by the companies related to Hispano.

Aircraft built by CECA (Compañía Española de Construcciones Aeronáuticas) in Santander, closely related to La Hispano Suiza:
- CECA-MS or CECA-Saulnier, Morane-Saulnier BB made under license with Hispano V-8 engine, 12 built, 1916
- (Trimotor Acedo), no-name three-engine flying boat for transatlantic flight, some parts made but aircraft never completed, 1916
Aircraft designed by Barrón for La Hispano in Guadalajara:
- Hispano-Barrón no-name observation biplane, prototype, 1919
- Hispano-Barrón no-name fighter biplane, prototype, 1919

Aircraft built under license by La Hispano Aircraft, later La Hispano, in Guadalajara:
- Airco DH.6 or E-180 (Entrenamiento or Escuela, 180cv), 45 built with Hispano 180hp engine, 1921
- Airco DH.9, 200 built with Hispano 300hp engine, 1922-28
- Hispano-Albatros, Hispano 300hp engine, one prototype, perhaps an old Albatros aircraft refurbished, 1923
- Potez 25, license production was planned but abandoned, 1925
- Nieuport 52, Hispano 12 Hb 500hp, 100 built, 1928
- Hawker Spanish Fury, Hispano 12 Xbrs, license production of 50 was planned but cancelled in 1936

Aircraft designed by La Hispano in Guadalajara:
- AET-Roa, sesquiplane designed by Vicente Roa, Hispano 300hp engine, prototype started but not completed, 1926
- E-30 (Entrenamiento or Escuela, 1930), two-seat parasol-wing monoplane trainer, designed by André Bédoiseau:
-- first prototype called E-30 H, with Hispano 8 Ab
-- second prototype with Hispano 9 Qa
-- third prototype, STOL version with Handley-Page slats and flaps
-- 28 series production aircraft with Hispano 9 Qd
- E-303 (or E-303 H or HS-303), larger armed version with Hispano 14 AA, not built
- HS-34 (or E-34, for Entrenamiento or Escuela, 1934), two-seat biplane trainer, designed by Vicente Roa, 2 prototypes built, 25 series aircraft started, of which only one was completed in Guadalajara, 4 were completed by SAF-5 in Alicante, and another was assembled from spare parts by La Hispano Suiza in Sevilla after the Civil War
- C-36 (Caza, 1936), monoplane fighter with Hispano 14 HA, designed by Enrique Corbella, some parts built by SAF-5 in Alicante
- RBL-36 (Reconocimiento y Bombardeo Ligero, 1936), monoplane observation and light bomber with Hispano 14 HA, designed by Enrique Corbella, not built

Aircraft built under license or modified by SAF-5, later SAF-15, in Alicante (ex-La Hispano):
- Fokker C.X, one prototype built with Russian M-100 engine, 25 series aircraft started but not completed
- Fokker D.XXI, one prototype built with Russian M-25 engine, 50 series aircraft started but not completed
- Polikarpov I-16, 50 built, some of which were completed after the Civil War
- Focke-Wulf Fw.56 Stösser, one aircraft modified with Hispano 9 Qa, four others planned
- Dewoitine D.510, two aircraft modified with Russian M-100 engine
- Vultee V-1A, six aircraft militarized with machine guns and bombs

Aircraft of foreign design built by La Hispano Suiza in Sevilla:
- HS-132 L, license production verions of the Fiat CR.32, 100 built
- Fiat G.50, license production planned but cancelled
- Fiat CR.32 doble mando, two-seat trainer version, 31 aircraft modified, of which 29 were Italian-built and 2 were HS-132 L
- project to modify the CR.32 with different engines: Hispano 12 Xbrs, 14 AA or 14 AB

Derivatives of the Bf 109, designed and built by La Hispano Suiza or La Hispano Aviación in Sevilla :
- Messerschmitt Bf 109 E-1 (sometimes wrongly reported as Bf 109 F), one German aircraft transformed in Barcelona with Hispano 12 Z
- HA-1109 J.1L or JL (first called Bf 109 J or Me 109 J), with Hispano 12 Z
- HA-1109 K.1L, with Hispano 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M, unarmed
- HA-1109 K.2L, K.3L and K.4L (unconfirmed), prototype armed variants of the HA-1109 K.1L
- HA-1109 M.1L, same as HA-1109 K.1L with RR Merlin
- HA-1109 M.2L and M.3L, studies for armed variants of the HA-1109 M.1L
- HA-1110 K.1L, two prototype two-seat aircraft with 12 Z-M
- HA-1110 M.1L or HA-1112 M.4L (depending on the source), the two HA-1110 K.1L modified with RR Merlin
- HA-1111 K.1L, study for a single-seat version with 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M and wing tip tanks
- HA-1112 K.1L, single-seat version with 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M, wing cannons, rockets and wing fences
For those aircraft, the main number (1109, 1110, 1111, 1112) seems to correspond to the airframe variant :
- 1109 = unmodified airframe
- 1110 = two-seater
- 1111 = wings modified for wing tip tanks
- 1112 = wings further reinforced for wing armament, and addition of wing fences
The first letter (J, K, L) corresponds to the engine :
- J = Hispano 12 Z (type 89)
- K = Hispano 12 Z-17 or 12 Z-M
- M = RR Merlin
The only designation which does not fit this scheme is HA-1112 M.4L. It is not used by Lage, who gives HA-1110 M.1L instead.
Military designation was C.4-J with Hispano engine and C.4-K with Merlin (single-seat and two-seat versions alike).

Aircraft designed by La Hispano Suiza in Sevilla:
- HS-40, evolution of the pre-war E-303, not built, c.1940, no data
- HS-41, perhaps a new name for the modified HS-34 assembled from spare parts in 1941
- HS-42, two-seat monoplane trainer, 1942:
-- originally planned with HS-93 engine (itself not built), also planned with Argus As-410
-- two prototypes with Piaggio P-VII
-- HS-42 A, first series with Piaggio P-VII, 15 built
-- HS-42 B, with Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah XXV and sliding canopy, 48 built, one of which was completed as HS-43 B / HA-43 B
-- HS-42 C, planned with Elizalde Sirio, not built
-- HS-42 D.1, similar to the HS-42 B with Armstrong Siddeley Cheetah XXVII, 10 built
-- HS-42 D.2, similar, 27 built
-- HS-42 D.3, 12 ex-HS-42 A refurbished with Cheetah XXVII
-- HS-42 D.4, 13 built, with Cheetah XXVII, ordered as HA-43 D but completed with fixed landing gear
- HS-43 or HA-43, evolution of the HS-42 with retractable landing gear:
-- HS-43 B or HA-43 B, first prototype taken from the HS-42 B production, first flight in 1948
-- HA-43 C, series version planned with Elizalde Sirio, not built
-- HA-43 B.1, later HA-43 D, with Cheetah XXVII, modified HA-43 B prototype and 2 additional built, remaining aircraft completed as HS-42 D.4
- HS-50, single-seat fighter designed by Émile Dewoitine as D.600, with HS-89 12-Z engine, c.1941-43, not built but for a full scale mock-up and the landing gear assembly
- HS-60, two-engine trainer and light bomber, with HS-93 engines, c.1942, not built

The aircraft branch became La Hispano Aviación in 1943, and the prefix was switched from HS to HA, from the HA-43 onwards.

Aircraft designed by La Hispano Aviación in Sevilla:
- HA-100 Triana, two-seat armed trainer, military designation XE-12, serial production cancelled :
-- HA-100 E-1 Triana, with ENMASA Beta engine, studied from 1952, two prototypes built, first flew in 1953
-- HA-100 F-1 Triana, same with Wright Cyclone, two prototypes built, first flew in 1955
- HA-110 C-1, same but unarmed, with ENMASA Sirio, studied from 1952, two unfinished prototypes, military designation XE-13
- HA-120 R-1, jet derivative of the HA-100, with Turbomeca Marboré II, studied from 1952
- HA-200 Saeta, jet trainer:
-- HA-200 R-1, evolved from the HA-120, two prototypes, military designation XE-14, first flight in 1955, and 10 preseries aircraft
-- HA-200 A, series production version for Spain, 30 built, military designation E-14 A, first delivered in 1962
-- HA-200 B Al Kahira, armed version for Egypt, 5 built in Spain from 1959 (some say that they were ex-preseries HA-200 R-1), others assembled or built in Egypt (at least 46, some say 90)
-- HA-200 C, planned single-seat variant, c.1957
-- HA-200 D, second series production version for Spain, 55 built, military designation E-14 B, first delivered in 1965
-- HA-200 E, evolution of the HA-200 D incorporating features from the HA-210 such as the Marboré VI and the new air intake, with underwing armament and other minor changes, one prototype built, first flight in 1965 ; the HA-200 D were later upgraded with military designation C-10 B, incorporating some modifications of the HA-200 E
-- HA-200 F, planned single-seat variant of the HA-200 for light attack, c.1966
-- HA-200 G, perhaps the first name of the HA-220, c.1968
- HA-210, planned evolution of the HA-200 with Marboré VI, ejection seats, new canopy, new air intake and other modifications, c.1963
- HA-220 Super Saeta, single-seat light attack evolution of the HA-200 E, with the Marboré VI and new air intake, first flight in 1970, 25 built, military designation C-10 C
- HA-230 R-1, four-seat liaison aircraft project, based of the HA-200, military designation XL-11, date unclear, between 1956 and 1959
- HA-231 R-1, six-seat project, evolved from the HA-230, same military designation XL-11, date unclear, between 1956 and 1960
- HA-300, supersonic fighter, studied from 1953, program cancelled and sold to Egypt in 1959, three prototypes completed in Helwan, with first flight in 1964, fourth prototype unfinished, program terminated in 1969
- HA-300 P or P-300, other names for the HA-23 P glider
- HA-310, two-engine variant of the HA-300, project only, c.1957
- HA-400, cargo aircraft project with four RR Dart-7 turbomotors, c.1958
- HA-500 Alacrán, light attack and CO-IN twin jet project, with short take-off, 1967-69, proposed concurrently with the Messerschmitt Me-400 designed in Germany, of quite similar characteristics
- HA-23 P, glider aircraft, flying mock-up for the HA-300, one prototype, flown in 1959
- HA-23, internal name for the HA-300 :
-- HA-23 I, the first unarmed prototype
-- HA-23 II, planned second prototype, with armament
- HA-25, two-seat jet trainer project, 1971, became the CASA C-101 Aviojet after merge with CASA
- HA-56, six-seat business jet project, developed after the HA-231, with new fuselage and two turbofans, two engine configurations were successively contemplated, 1960-61
- HA-57, single-seat light attack variant of the HA-200 with Marboré VI, c.1960, one fuselage built
- HA-60 Super Saeta, all new design for single-seat light attack aircraft, at least three configurations were contemplated, c.1961

Aircraft of foreign design built by La Hispano Aviación in Sevilla:
- SIAT-223 Flamingo, first Spanish-built aircraft flew in 1972, 50 built in total after merge with CASA
- Bölkow Bo-209 Monsun, licence production planned but cancelled

The company was finally merged into CASA in 1972.


Main sources:
- Hispano-Suiza 1904-1972 – Hombres, empresas, motores y aviones by Manuel Lage, LID, 2003, ISBN 8488717296, or its English version Hispano Suiza in Aeronautics: Men, Companies, Engines and Aircraft, SAE International, 2003, ISBN 0768009979
- "El cuarteto De Havilland: Rolls/Escuela/Hispano/Napier", by José Warleta Carrillo, in Aeroplano no.5, 1987
- "Eduardo Barrón y Ramos de Sotomayor", by José Warleta Carrillo, in Aeroplano no.6, 1989
- Les Messerschmitt espagnols, Avions special issue no.5
hi i have a question do you have any further informations about the trimotor acedo please and also near same year the other smaller spanish flying boat called "HACR pirata" was made.
 
hi i have a question do you have any further informations about the trimotor acedo please and also near same year the other smaller spanish flying boat called "HACR pirata" was made.

There is a fair bit of information out there about the Cañete H.A.C.R. Pirata. For example, a 5-page article in Aérea número 30, May 1930. That article includes illustrations - 3-view and hull construction/profiles.
-- http://hemerotecadigital.bne.es/issue.vm?id=0004926191

What, exactly, is it that your are looking for?
 
hi i have a question do you have any further informations about the trimotor acedo please and also near same year the other smaller spanish flying boat called "HACR pirata" was made.

There is a fair bit of information out there about the Cañete H.A.C.R. Pirata. For example, a 5-page article in Aérea número 30, May 1930. That article includes illustrations - 3-view and hull construction/profiles.
-- http://hemerotecadigital.bne.es/issue.vm?id=0004926191

What, exactly, is it that your are looking for?
i already found images for this one thanks but iam searching images or blueprints of the other one called "trimotor acedo" its a bigger 3 engined one that was never completed it was made by barron for the hispano plant of guadalajara
 
i already found images for this one thanks but iam searching images or blueprints of the other one called "trimotor acedo" its a bigger 3 engined one that was never completed it was made by barron for the hispano plant of guadalajara

Then why say "and also"?

As for "made by barron for the hispano plant of guadalajara", I believe that there was some confusion in c460's 2014 description of the Trimotor Acedo.

First, at the corporate level, the Compañía Española de Construcciones Aeronáuticas (CECA) had been established in Feb 1915 by Francisco Aritio (managing director). In 1916, CECA and La Hispano were connected solely through the use of the HS 8 engine in the licensed CECA-MS biplanes. CECA had on-going quality control issues and, in April 1919, it was decided to close shop. It was only after closing that the CECA facility would be absorbed by La Hispano. So, back in 1916 when the Trimotor Acedo was designed, CECA was still operating completely independently at Santander (La Albericía).

Second, the Trimotor Acedo was not "designed by Barrón for La Hispano in Guadalajara". In 1916, capitán Barrón was still actively serving at Cuatro Vientos. Rather, as the name suggests, the Trimotor Acedo was designed by ing Luis Acedo (Luis de Acedo Pérez) at CECA - 500 km north of Guadalajara. Best known for his Vilanova-Acedo monoplane, Acedo had become a CECA sub-director and jefe de talleres in 1915. [1]

The above came from my files, having been pulled from multiple online pages - but no primary sources. Can anyone confirm these details?

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[1] Pioneer pilot Juan Pombo Ibarra was described as CECA's technical director but I doubt that Pombo had any direct involvement in the design of the Trimotor Acedo.
 
i already found images for this one thanks but iam searching images or blueprints of the other one called "trimotor acedo" its a bigger 3 engined one that was never completed it was made by barron for the hispano plant of guadalajara

Then why say "and also"?

As for "made by barron for the hispano plant of guadalajara", I believe that there was some confusion in c460's 2014 description of the Trimotor Acedo.

First, at the corporate level, the Compañía Española de Construcciones Aeronáuticas (CECA) had been established in Feb 1915 by Francisco Aritio (managing director). In 1916, CECA and La Hispano were connected solely through the use of the HS 8 engine in the licensed CECA-MS biplanes. CECA had on-going quality control issues and, in April 1919, it was decided to close shop. It was only after closing that the CECA facility would be absorbed by La Hispano. So, back in 1916 when the Trimotor Acedo was designed, CECA was still operating completely independently at Santander (La Albericía).

Second, the Trimotor Acedo was not "designed by Barrón for La Hispano in Guadalajara". In 1916, capitán Barrón was still actively serving at Cuatro Vientos. Rather, as the name suggests, the Trimotor Acedo was designed by ing Luis Acedo (Luis de Acedo Pérez) at CECA - 500 km north of Guadalajara. Best known for his Vilanova-Acedo monoplane, Acedo had become a CECA sub-director and jefe de talleres in 1915. [1]

The above came from my files, having been pulled from multiple online pages - but no primary sources. Can anyone confirm these details?

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[1] Pioneer pilot Juan Pombo Ibarra was described as CECA's technical director but I doubt that Pombo had any direct involvement in the design of the Trimotor Acedo.
 

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