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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by Hood on August 27, 2017, 02:23:46 am »
The book does indeed mention the V-22 but it is not covered in-depth, partly because I'm concentrating on helicopters rather than VTOL aircraft (the distinction being the latter have some form of wing) and also because I don't think it has ever really been considered seriously. Even the talk of HV-22s for the new carriers seems unlikely given the Fleet Air Arm has not possessed any aircraft not flown by at least one of the other services for many years and a tiny fleet would be very expensive for what is a minor role. Even in the days of the strike carrier fleet COD was handled by a couple of stripped-out Gannets. 

I believe Chris may have covered the AEW variants of V-22 in his Admiralty and AEW ProjectTech Profile.
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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by elmayerle on August 26, 2017, 07:23:33 pm »
Any chance of this book discussing the RN's consideration, if any, of the V-22 in any of its variants?
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well, the mail to Siberia must be quicker than I thought.

Hope you like them.

Chris
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Decided to have a little splurge this afternoon. If you could add me that would be most appreciated, thanks. :)
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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by Geoff_B on June 06, 2017, 01:51:47 am »
So James (Hood) will you be joining us at Scale Model World in November when Chris launches the book, you'll be able to meet the Project Cancelled crew and we should have one or two suitable models to display along side the book and other books of interest within the Project Cancelled realm.
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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by phil gollin on June 05, 2017, 03:44:01 am »
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I am really looking forward to the book (I  ASSUME  that there will be another book entitled "The Army and the Helicopter" eventually - mostly filled with empty space).

Did you find out anything on the wartime tests of the hoverfly other than the basics ?

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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by Geoff_B on June 04, 2017, 07:37:20 am »
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Westland WG.11/ASW Chinook to NASR.358 and the escort cruiser combination represent probably the most exquisite concept for helicopter based ASW the RN ever conceived (EH-101 and Invincible being almost as impressive) but the Chinook based concept itself was later abandoned because of its cost and the fact it had been designed around things that didn't yet exist (e.g. a hypothetical 360 degree long range dipping sonar).

Which is why I think it should be covered. Us three are probably OK as we all have the relevant ship books to cross reference against and can mate the Helicopter with the ship but most won't. It was through those reference that we found out about the RN Chinook as all Chinook and Sea King references never mention it just assume it was Wessex to Sea King and Chinook was wanted t replace Belvedere in the late 60s but didn't actually happen till the late 70s.
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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by JFC Fuller on June 04, 2017, 04:52:58 am »
Helicopters definitely came first. The ships, especially things like the helicopter cruiser (and its contemporaries in other navies) were designed around packages of helicopters that were themselves conceived based on study work around how many (and of what type) would be required to provide certain levels of availability.

Westland WG.11/ASW Chinook to NASR.358 and the escort cruiser combination represent probably the most exquisite concept for helicopter based ASW the RN ever conceived (EH-101 and Invincible being almost as impressive) but the Chinook based concept itself was later abandoned because of its cost and the fact it had been designed around things that didn't yet exist (e.g. a hypothetical 360 degree long range dipping sonar).
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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by Hood on June 04, 2017, 03:45:58 am »
Hi Geoff,

I understand where you are coming from and I agree with you.
I think there is a little of the chicken and the egg scenario with regards to the ships and the helicopters. I tend towards the view that the helicopters came first and the ships were modified accordingly to whatever was available at the time (Type 12 re-arranged for Wasp, Wessex squeezed aboard the Counties, the Tiger conversions extended to allow Sea King, the Escort Cruiser growing to accommodate NASR.358, Type 23 lengthened for Sea King).

We're not beyond the possibility of altering the text, but something might have to be ditched overboard in compensation. Remember, the TechFiles are only 48 pages long (~20,000 words and ~50 illustrations).
I'm not sure how well the Shipbucket profiles would reproduce in printed format, some publishers have tried and gotten decent results but only at small scale reproductions.
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ProjectTech Profiles / Re: The Admiralty and the Helicopter
« Last post by Geoff_B on June 04, 2017, 02:01:22 am »
Hi James

I think you should mention the Escort Cruisers as they were Helicopter focused missile destroyers/cruisers. Yes we know they went on to evolve into the Invincible class but only us ship lot know about the Escort Cruiser from the likes of Freidman's books, Hobbs and Brown & Moore. As these were early 60s designed optimised for ASW helicopter operations, at a time when the Carriers were still in service in the strike role. Your target audience will be aviation types who are not generally familiar with the naval books on the subject.

Sorry Chris but the title does say 'Admiralty and the Helicopter' its a Ship and Helicopter integration process and it really needs to be covered as your not really covering the subject if you only skim over it. Just compare the evolution of the Wasp on the Type 81 tribal class to the proposed Type 26 with a deck capable of carrying Chinook, operating Merlin and UAV types. There's more than enough info and artwork and pictures to give a full chapter at least (and I think James has already got profile artwork for most of the designs on Ship Bucket ! )

Geoff
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