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Title: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Machdiamond on May 28, 2010, 05:51:55 am
I haven't seen this mentionned elsewhere, but the San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive is uploading tens of thousands of scanned photos and drawings on Flickr (as of today there are 64878 listed).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/)

Unfortunately they are in low resolution at 550 pixels width, but I am sure a few gems can be found.

--Luc
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 28, 2010, 07:12:46 am
 :o :o :o :o

WOW !!!

Absolutely brilliant!
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: archipeppe on May 28, 2010, 07:13:29 am
GORGEOUS!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on May 28, 2010, 07:18:59 am
I haven't seen this mentionned elsewhere, but the San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive is uploading tens of thousands of scanned photos and drawings on Flickr (as of today there are 64878 listed).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/)

Unfortunately they are in low resolution at 550 pixels width, but I am sure a few gems can be found.

--Luc

They spend the time to scan 65 THOUSAND photos and then put them up at 500 pixels width?  (puts head down and cries a little  :'( )
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skybolt on May 28, 2010, 07:26:13 am
One has to hope that they HAVE the original scans in super-res....  ::)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on May 28, 2010, 07:34:09 am
One has to hope that they HAVE the original scans in super-res....  ::)

One would hope.  Now how do we get at 'em?  Hell, if they threw them all on a set of DVDs I'd pay for 'em in a heartbeat.  Hmmm. . .
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Orionblamblam on May 28, 2010, 07:41:32 am
Now how do we get at 'em?  Hell, if they threw them all on a set of DVDs I'd pay for 'em in a heartbeat.  Hmmm. . .

Robert Bradley, who I suspect is behind this effort, has his SDAM scans stored not on a set of DVDs, b ut on a set of 1 TB hard drives. You might have to buy a warehouse full of DVDs to get the complete set.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on May 28, 2010, 07:54:08 am
Now how do we get at 'em?  Hell, if they threw them all on a set of DVDs I'd pay for 'em in a heartbeat.  Hmmm. . .

Robert Bradley, who I suspect is behind this effort, has his SDAM scans stored not on a set of DVDs, b ut on a set of 1 TB hard drives. You might have to buy a warehouse full of DVDs to get the complete set.

Even at 10Mb per scan that's only 650Gb for the lot, but I see your point.   :-\   
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 28, 2010, 07:56:47 am
One has to hope that they HAVE the original scans in super-res....  ::)

Or even that they will market a DVD set containing all the pics in high definition...  ::)
Otherwise it would really be a shame...  :'(
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 28, 2010, 07:58:11 am
Robert Bradley, who I suspect is behind this effort, has his SDAM scans stored not on a set of DVDs, b ut on a set of 1 TB hard drives. You might have to buy a warehouse full of DVDs to get the complete set.

Yeah. But once you remove the duplicate photos and create collections by theme (manufacturers or missions) then it can become a little more manageable I guess.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Orionblamblam on May 28, 2010, 08:24:45 am
Even at 10Mb per scan that's only 650Gb for the lot...   

Rather more than that. What they've posted seems to be the "photo files." There is *vastly* more than that... reports, blueprints, presentations, etc. I did a search for a few images I *hoped* I wouldn't find, and I didn't. Stuff that I scanned when I was there two years ago. The amount of stuff that Bradley has himself scanned in is truly vast.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on May 28, 2010, 08:28:29 am
Absolutey, for example.... Model 200

JSF for the 70s. (Notice both CTOL and STOVL variants.)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: hesham on May 28, 2010, 08:53:58 am
Hi,

also a strange Convair VTOL project.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 28, 2010, 10:41:13 am
Hope it's not another one of the numerous ill-captioned photos from this collection. To me the design looks more like a VTOL piloted Ryan Firebee than a Convair... but who knows?
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on May 28, 2010, 01:24:38 pm
Hmmmm.... Douglas Attack/Trainer proposal.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4590423832/
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on May 28, 2010, 01:26:31 pm
Hmmmm.... Douglas Attack/Trainer proposal.

Looks like a Skyhawk crashed into a Lear Jet.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on May 28, 2010, 01:32:25 pm
Douglas D558-3
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: archipeppe on May 28, 2010, 01:42:33 pm
Hmmmm.... Douglas Attack/Trainer proposal.

Looks like a Skyhawk crashed into a Lear Jet.

 ;D  ;D
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 28, 2010, 01:51:14 pm
Douglas D558-3

Ha! There is a controversy over this one... Some claim that the "D-558-3" (a totally unofficial designation not even from Douglas) was the D-671 (which some call Skyrocket II), while other sources claim that the "D-558-3" was the D-684 (which some call Skyflash), which you have portrayed above. I'm attaching both for comparison.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: archipeppe on May 28, 2010, 02:09:07 pm
As far I know, the D-671 was born as true D-558 phase 3, as a true descendant of the D-558 phase 2 for the Navy. The latter D-684 was meant as proposal for the X-15, in that sense it was dubbed as D-558 phase 3 only to give an idea of continuity with the previous successful programme.

Ed Heinemann's team realized two designs of 684, the one depicted in your post is the elder one.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: archipeppe on May 28, 2010, 02:13:08 pm
Anyway here they are togheter:
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Tailspin Turtle on May 28, 2010, 05:57:01 pm
My assessment: http://thanlont.blogspot.com/2008/05/douglas-d-558.html

or here: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3211.msg27045/highlight,d-558.html#msg27045
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 28, 2010, 07:49:01 pm
Thanks a lot TT for the reminder. I'd forgotten where I'd last read about this subject.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: archipeppe on May 29, 2010, 12:45:59 am
Inside out...
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Silencer1 on May 29, 2010, 01:50:39 am
Hi!

This Flick set is real treasure! Thanks for sharing!

Could someone suggest good software for mass downloading of Flick' photos (original size)?

Mac-based and free solutions will be apreciated  ;D

Cheers!
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 29, 2010, 03:09:01 am
I use WinHTTrack Website Copier myself. It enabled me to download the 6000+ files of Aerofiles in 5 hours' time this week. As the site was experiencing problems I thought it would be safe to have a complete save of it.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 29, 2010, 03:10:02 am
Inside out...
archipeppe, these are brilliant! But mind the caption on the first picture, it says 684 where it should read 671...  ;)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: archipeppe on May 29, 2010, 03:50:51 am
Inside out...
archipeppe, these are brilliant! But mind the caption on the first picture, it says 684 where it should read 671...  ;)

Ouch you're right!!!  :o

A typo error sorry, the first drawing is the 671 as well....  ;D
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on May 29, 2010, 10:40:21 am
I haven't seen this mentionned elsewhere, but the San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive is uploading tens of thousands of scanned photos and drawings on Flickr (as of today there are 64878 listed).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/)
Unfortunately they are in low resolution at 550 pixels width, but I am sure a few gems can be found.
--Luc
Hi folks, the PDF's might help us searching for photos and drawings.
Link: http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/collection_index.php?id=3
Edit: Warning - The PDF's were last updated in 2003. That means, we still have to search by hand.  ;)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Steve Pace on May 29, 2010, 10:43:06 am
Some odds and ends from the SDASM.

SP
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 29, 2010, 11:48:31 am
Why a new topic Steve? There is already a topic on the SDASM archives! And each of these three pics would find a better place in these aircraft's respective topics!
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on May 29, 2010, 12:04:17 pm
Hey folks,
this is just only the bar.  ;)
The SDASM archive is real treasure chest.
I just found out, that the Vought XF5U-1 was called "Skimmer".
Searching the SDASM archives and posting the finding results here in this forum is much better than watching in TV the soccer match Hungary against Germany or the Eurovision Song Contest this evening.  :)

Meanwhile, standing at Bar, a toast to "Easyrider" Dennis Hopper! May rest in peace!
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skybolt on May 29, 2010, 01:33:01 pm
Hey, where is the Model 200 gone ? Copyright issues, oh great moderators ?  ???
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on May 29, 2010, 01:34:49 pm
Moved to the topic...
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skybolt on May 29, 2010, 01:46:44 pm
I see.
While I'm at it, if you search XF-92 in the archive you'll find a series of large scale tunnel models depicting variuos configurations of the first Convair dekta, some VERY different from the definitive one.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on May 29, 2010, 02:13:15 pm
Not to mention all you will come up with if you type "Convair Skate"...  ;)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on June 01, 2010, 02:13:49 pm
The Flickr set has been updated today; 80 pictures have been uploaded so far.
Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/archives/date-posted/2010/06/01/
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on July 24, 2010, 08:50:12 am
The Flickr set has been updated in the last two to three days.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/
3 Albums have been added.

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Gerald F. Bogan, Vice Admiral, U.S.N., was a distinguished veteran of 38 years of naval service. Bogan served as Commander, First Task Fleet, Pacific; as Commander, Air Force, Atlantic; as Commander, Fleet Air, Alameda; and as Commanding Officer, U.S.S. Saratoga.
Some interesting pictures of Japanese ships wrecks at Kure, Japan in August to October 1945.

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These are some of the images from our Pacific Southwest Airlines archive! Look for our book on PSA coming out October of 2010!
You will find interesting pictures of the cocktail bar on the PSA's Lockheed Tristar.

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From 1928 to 1952, Charles Babb operated the Babb Company, selling new and used aircraft, as well as aircraft parts. His company had a reputation for knowledge, quality, and service; the Babb Company became known as the world's largest international aircraft brokerage. It was in this capacity that Charles Babb met and befriended some of the most influential aviation greats of the period.
An unknown Cargo Plane Design from 1937.
Link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?ss=2&w=49487266%40N07&q=BABBCO+PLANE&m=text
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Back of photo says, "BABBCO Cargo Plane Design Submitted to Army for Consideration, March 1937. No Action taken.
BABBCO means Babb Company.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on July 26, 2010, 02:58:20 am
Over 5300 pictures have been added last Saturday.
Just looking through it:
YO-51, Flex wing,Artist drawings of XV-5AB, Ryan Vertiplane VZ-3RY, X-13 Vertijet, Ryan UAVs ...  :o B)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on July 28, 2010, 04:23:31 am
Another update.
More Pictures are also uploaded to the PSA album.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sdasmarchives on July 29, 2010, 03:57:23 pm
Hello, this is Alan from the San Diego Air and Space Museum.  I am very glad that you are enjoying the images we are posting on Flickr.  We have just started the process and are working out ironing out some of the kinks.  We had some trouble uploading a few images and getting them to line up with inventory list, so please let us know if something is wrongly identified.  We have a new process to digitize images, which lets us do several 100 per day, so look for us to upload more images as we go along.  If you would like to see something that we have not digitized yet, you can email me arenga@sdasm.org and we will work on it.

We debated whether or not to post hi res images of the photos on the site.  We are a non profit, and the main (almost sole) source of income for the Library and Archives is our sale of photos and usage fees to the public.  We are worried that if we post hi res images, people would not adhere to the copyright restrictions, and we would lose this income.  We will see how things go and might reconsider this.  However, all the images on the flickr site are also available in high resolution...you can find details about the usage/price here: http://www.sandiegoairandspace.org/collections/collection_index.php?id=3

Thanks!
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on July 29, 2010, 05:28:23 pm
Thats correct - but I would suggest a little bit larger scan but still well short of the size needed for printing might be possible.

As for this site, we love unbuilt and prototype aircraft, so scans of  any weird stuff like that would be very welcome.

Also there are quite a few mistakes - what is the best way for us to send them?
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sdasmarchives on August 02, 2010, 09:59:44 am
Thanks.  You can either mark the aircraft in the comment section or email me at arenga@sdasm.org
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on September 17, 2010, 07:57:54 am
Next update (09-14-2010).
834 pictures have been added.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on May 04, 2011, 07:46:49 am
GREAT news.  It appears SDASM photo archive has been accepted into Flickr's "The Commons" section.  They have posted over 130 pages of new photos, but even better, unlike the photos they have posted in the past, these latest photos are of much higher resolution.

I'd describe what has been newly posted, but I am too busy drooling.   ;D

Additionally, the great thing about The Commons is not only the material posted by various different institutions, but the comments added by Flickr members about what is depicted (even "history detective"-type work).  In addition, the tags that are added to the images which add a ton to their accessibility and usefulness.

I would strongly encourage anyone here to add comments and tag the photos with relevant information (name of aviator depicted, name of aircraft, official designations, locations, aircraft registrations and/or identities, etc.), given the fact that SDASM and these other institutions do not have the means to do so on their own, and often do not have the depth of knowlege that many of those here posses.

Here's a link:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/

Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on August 02, 2011, 04:32:15 am
Interesting new videos at San Diego Air and Space Museum YouTube Channel.
Link: http://www.youtube.com/user/sdasmarchives (http://www.youtube.com/user/sdasmarchives)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on November 12, 2011, 10:36:10 am
Nice uploads for the month November so far.
Bell LAMPS, general dynamics lunar excursion module, Lunar Roving Vehicle Models, Piasecki Model VZ-8P SEAGEEP, etc.
Links: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/archives/date-posted/2011/11/04/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/archives/date-posted/2011/11/04/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/archives/date-posted/2011/11/11/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/archives/date-posted/2011/11/11/)


Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on November 12, 2011, 11:25:08 am
I liked the Firebolt, Compass Arrow, and F-106 arrester videos.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on November 12, 2011, 01:07:53 pm
I have ceased browsing these galleries as there doesn't seem to be any easy access to the new additions. Browsing hundreds of pages in a row is really painful. If there was a monthly index of the new additions (however basic), that would make it a lot easier.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on November 12, 2011, 02:56:44 pm
I have ceased browsing these galleries as there doesn't seem to be any easy access to the new additions. Browsing hundreds of pages in a row is really painful. If there was a monthly index of the new additions (however basic), that would make it a lot easier.


The amount of material SDASM has posted is staggering!


I've tried to contribute a bit to the utility and accessibility of the photos by personally adding tags, comments, and notes where ever I can in altering fits of boredom and obsession.  :P   Echoing my earlier post, I would ask that those on this forum with any sort of spare time and knowledge to not necessarily make a concerted effort, but perhaps in your spare time to give the SDASM's photos (link (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/)) a look over and do the same.  It can be of great benefit to not only the folks over at the SDASM, but to anyone with interest in aviation and its history.


In that spirit, there's the most recently posted photo collection of early aviator Harold D. "Harry" Kantner (Link: SDASM - Harold D. Kantner Photo Collection (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/sets/72157628106796132/with/6335823610/)).  Kantner led a long and varied career in aviation, starting at the Moisant School on Long Island in 1911, and doing a whole lot in between, before retiring from Convair in 1961. 


 With the help of those here (and elsewhere around the world?  :o ) there is hopefully an answer to identifying a flying boat triplane that was flown by Kantner and owned by the founder of Continental Motors, Ross W. Judson.  The aircraft started as a specially built version of the Curtiss Model F Flying Boat for Judson, with a third wing ("Judson Triplane" / "Curtiss-Judson Triplane" / "Curtiss-Judson Flying Boat").  The aircraft was reportedly delivered in 1917, then modified after World War I ("Judson-Kantner Triplane"), and then - to add another complication - it was modified once more into biplane configuration.  There have been only a handful of photos and information concerning the aircraft available on the web and in published books, and there doesn't seem to be any consensus as to its origins, evolution, or even proper name!  Well, maybe that can change.  With the most recent postings by the SDASM, there are now well over 60 photos of this very hard to pin down aircraft available for viewing and maybe finally sleuthing out its story.


Here are the three iterations of the aircraft:
Original Configuration
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6335848372/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6335848372/)
(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2F6120%2F6335848372_bca9d76d33.jpg&hash=efad07206208cdeb6bd8674af0082701)


Post-WWI configuration:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6335070187/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6335070187/)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6058/6335070187_d4688fc1fc.jpg)


Final Biplane configuration:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6335039209/in/photostream (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/6335039209/in/photostream)
(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm7.static.flickr.com%2F6240%2F6335039209_b855f7fef4.jpg&hash=e11a7eff22a0924b7aa66cd8b23594ef)


Just from looking around the various resources, it seems this (or should I say "these"?) aircraft are still a riddle.  Maybe these recently posted photos from the Kantner collection can help solve it?
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Skyblazer on November 12, 2011, 04:11:37 pm
Wow. See? That's what's frustrating about the SDASM Archive. There are thousands of amazing pics in there but no way to easily find your way through it. Being a real Curtiss buff and flying boat lover, I'm thrilled at the sight of these pics... Thanks for sharing and for the additional info.

However, I'm pretty puzzled here: We have two very different triplane flying boats that qualify as the "Judson" depending on the sources. I'm enclosing some pics here and you can see that there is NOTHING in common beside the triplane configuration. Yet both have been said to be the "Judson". The one that also appears as a biplane in your pic selection is said to be the "Judson" in the book excerpt I'm attaching below, yet its shape is nowhere near what the "Judson" is supposed to be, i.e. based on an Curtiss F (contrary to the other triplane, given as the "Judson" by Aerofiles, which looks the part)...

Quite a mystery, isn't it?  :-\


Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on November 22, 2011, 07:07:18 pm
The good folks over at the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Archives on Flickr have posted a new set of photos of aircraft that they need some help with identifying.  Some have been identified and would be pretty easy for many to identify here, however there are at least one or two head-scratchers in the bunch.


I was hoping some here could take a look and provide some info over at Flickr.


Here's the set:
Aircraft Which Need Identification (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/sets/72157628101275589/)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on February 15, 2012, 11:42:44 am
Nice uploads for the month February so far.
Mostly Teledyne Ryan UAV's & Drones ... :)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on February 16, 2013, 05:15:29 am
Nice uploads for the month February so far.
Mostly Teledyne Ryan UAV's & Drones ... :)
ROFL, A year later I can quote myself....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/)


Edit:
And some nice paintings showing F-105, A-4, A-6, Flexi Wing...
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: hesham on February 16, 2013, 05:22:58 am
Hi,


also the Ryan Vertifan aircraft.

Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: hesham on February 16, 2013, 02:09:37 pm
What was it ?.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on March 09, 2013, 05:47:11 am
133 new pictures uploaded on March 8th, 2013.
Link: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/archives/date-posted/2013/03/08/
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on May 13, 2014, 03:20:48 pm
Update
Quote
Images from an Albums (AL-61 A and B ) donated by Leisure World Aerospace Club showing misc aircraft.
Link: https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/sets/72157643423211165/ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/sets/72157643423211165/)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on September 12, 2016, 10:07:18 am
Interesting image among those recently posted by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) on their Flickr photostream.  It appears to be a re-purposing of their VSX (S-3) proposal mock-up as a nominal "Space Shuttle" cockpit.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/29523927802/
(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8149%2F29523927802_11b9302493.jpg&hash=c07529d2c4ff9da222a53d5b0aac7fbd)
Here's a link to the Convair VSX images in the same photostream for comparison:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?sort=interestingness-desc&safe_search=1&text=vsxproposal&view_all=1
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on September 13, 2016, 11:20:08 am
Yet another interesting image recently posted by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) at their Flickr site.  It is a General Dynamics - Convair Division presentation slide entitled "SATSLAM System."

It features what appears to be an ICBM launched in one direction apparently being detected by a satellite, which is communicating with a ground station at the "target", which in turn is communicating with a ballistic missile sub that has apparently launched an ABM toward the ICBM. The caption accompanying the slide states, "Title:GD/Astronautics Charts Details: SatSlam System - Slide for Presentation Date: 11/21/1967."

Googled "SATSLAM" like crazy. Only hit I got was Googling "SATSLAM" and "submarine" which led to five "hits" - all on Russian-language glossary pages(for lack of a better description). (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22SatSLAM%22+%22submarine%22)

There "Satellite-Tracked Submarine Launched Antmissile" comes up for the acronym.

Again, perhaps my Googling-skills are weak, but I did find it interesting that the only legitimate hits I got for the acronym were on a handful of Russian-language web-pages. In fact, if there's one site I thought where the system and/or it's acronym would be found, would be here! :D

Anyway, here's the image:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/29014019213/
(https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F9%2F8466%2F29014019213_388e0ab1c2_b.jpg&hash=aef3446e4faa4f0eabb99335e640a2ba)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: marauder2048 on September 13, 2016, 11:25:56 am
Great find. Didn't realize that Sub-based ABM concepts went back that far.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: hark40 on September 14, 2016, 04:28:14 am
There were a few interesting ideas of different deployments of ABM systems at that time (inter-service rivalry).  1967 fits in with SABMIS (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8305.0.html (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8305.0.html)) which according AWST (July 17,1967) was to a initially be a surface based system with eventual submarine launched interceptors. A Polaris based ASAT system was also being pursued as well even earlier (AWST Sep 28, 1964).

The USAF also had proposals to use Minuteman missiles as an ABM system as well (AWST March 31, 1969), even to the point of having C-5s on airborne alert as an ABM system.

However, this is a topic for other threads.  The slide is an interesting find.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on March 26, 2017, 07:46:01 pm
A couple of very interesting images added to the SDASM's Flickr Commons collection today. The description for the side-view of the model in the photo is incorrect, however, the adjacent photo in the collection with a head on view describes the model as, "Model Aerojet; Plastic Space Plane Date: 07/09/1962".  The name on the model stand for the side-view describes the model as "Aerospace Plane."

As best as I can glean from the two photos of the model, it appears to be mixed-propulsion, with intakes aft along either side, presumably for the air-breathing portion of flight, plus what appears to possibly be provision for retractable canards on the nose.

This design doesn't ring any bells with me, it may even be a nominal representation of an "Aerospace Plane" concept, but I figure many here may have a better idea (if so, moderators please move to the most appropriate topic).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33507549292/
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2946/33507549292_01b67a22db_z.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33280381880/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3741/33280381880_91fa1c1faf_z.jpg)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Orionblamblam on March 26, 2017, 07:52:53 pm

This design doesn't ring any bells with me, it may even be a nominal representation of an "Aerospace Plane" concept,

It's one of the Convair designs for the aptly-named "Aerospace Plane" program, a USAF program to develop an airbreathing reusable launch system.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: George Allegrezza on March 27, 2017, 06:24:57 am
Unfortunately, the captions for many of the the recently uploaded batch of photos are somewhat screwed up.  For example, there's a sweet pic of an Atlas BGRV lifting off, but it's captioned as a "test rig", a space station concept is captioned as a solar-powered vehicle, and so on.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on April 19, 2017, 10:54:51 am
Below are a number of intriguing photos posted by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Archives at their Flickr site. They belong to the Robert Reedy Collection.

Here is Reedy's brief bio as described by the SDASM:
"Robert Reedy was a native of Amarillo Texas. He attended college in Wichita Kansas, studying aeronautical engineering. On graduation he was quickly snapped up by Stearman Aircraft. During his subsequent career he made stops at Lockheed, Thorp and back to Lockheed where he retired as a vice president of sales. Reedy was involved in the design of several Stearman, Vega and Thorp types, the Lockheed P2V, Little Dipper, Big Dipper, and L-1011..."

Among the photos in the Reedy collection are a number captioned as the Cessna CR-1 (reg. NR/NX 11717), and dated (via the SDASM description for each) as being taken in "Jan 1930". Despite the description and registration number, I have yet to find any other photos of such an aircraft in this specific configuration (enclosed cockpit aft of the wing trailing edge, shoulder-mounted wing, retractable landing gear, registration "11717"). The best information I can find is that after a single harrowing first flight by Clyde Cessna, the aircraft was deemed too dangerous to fly and re-built into the CR-2. Here is a SDASM photo of the Cessna CR-2:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/27137787416/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7584/27137787416_d5be0fa6b6.jpg)

Here is how the Cessna CR-2 is described in the article authored by Bob Hirsch, "Cessna and Air Racing's Golden Age"  (American Aviation Historical Society (AAHS) Journal, Vol. 29 (1984), Page 296, 304), "This is a stretched version of the CR-1 which was about 2 feet, 8 Inches shorter. It Is not known If the CR-1 actually flew or was redesigned during construction. There are no public photos of it."

So, here are the photos in question, might these be photos of the Cessna CR-1 as originally constructed? if so, these may be the only known photos of it prior to its reconstruction into the CR-2. Can anyone confirm?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/27169387065/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7205/27169387065_3364f5cb1e_z.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/26563569034/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7739/26563569034_bcc45cfe78_z.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/26565110913/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7316/26565110913_0a0ea25bcd_z.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/26565112283/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7034/26565112283_f46c57fe49_z.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/27074429542/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7575/27074429542_d90f68dbf7_z.jpg)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on May 05, 2017, 03:24:04 pm
Interesting Update showing Ryan projects at SDAaSM Flickr Archive.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/
Examples:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34335509191/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34457134165/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34336285401/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33658140773/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34427089876/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34427196456/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34427470366/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34084089740/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/34428046906/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33627738634/
Too late this evening to post them as attachments in the suitable topics. 😉😊
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on May 08, 2017, 11:50:07 am
Here's one at the SDASM Flickr site that I can't put a finger on. Perhaps it is related to the Ryan 147 S-2?
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33697614023/
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4170/33697614023_38a5044a99.jpg)

Here's a swing-wing (airliner?) concept with the name "National" on the tail. Reminiscent of how the original National Airlines (NAL) used to have "National" on the S-duct of their Boeing 727 fleet and the base of the vertical stab of their two Boeing 747 aircraft.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33549078134/
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2885/33549078134_463ce3c8c2.jpg)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: sferrin on May 08, 2017, 12:04:16 pm
Apparently that first one was from 1966.  :o
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on August 05, 2017, 10:58:09 am
New Update at SDAaSM Flickr Archive showing mockup and early production of the Convair 240.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: fightingirish on October 03, 2017, 09:31:47 am
Edit:
I moved this post to the topic "US Naval Institute FLAUNT Concept (https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21556.msg315629.html#msg315629)".
Thanks, Silencer1!
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Silencer1 on October 04, 2017, 01:03:46 am
Quote from: SDASM Archives
Flaunt Fleet Air Ultra Naval transport sitting 25 above waves on rsbs retractable spar buoy stabilizer concept and design by Thomas P. Faulconer artist Joe Ferrara date 1985 includes plaque and article by designer on back
Link:
https://flic.kr/p/Z1XwJm
Dear mods, please feel free to move this post to a suitable topic.  :)

Thanks for sharing!
I kindly suggest use the topic https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,21556.msg213377.html#msg213377, as a place for this picture.
Those "concept" thrilled me for a years, and only aafter I see this image I think about the size of FLAUNT. Is vessel such dimensions, greater then some ocean ships requires any additional means to swim in rough waves? Of course, the tasks to take-off and landing remains the most complex and author, IMHO, found an elegant solution.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on February 08, 2019, 02:00:14 pm
Some more interesting images posted today on the SDASM Flickr Commons site as part of their Robert Kemp Collection (https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/albums/72157691203954561/page6). Kemp was Convair/General Dynamics' chief illustrator.

What's going on here? Looks like a very Soviet satellite (possible return capsule?) of some type sending a signal to/from a relay satellite (of what appears American manufacture) and then to/from Russia, but that satellite is also apparently sending a signal to/from the United States. Part of the generic caption is "Advanced Space Systems." Plus, the ephemeral "lobes."
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33154064078/
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/5/4869/33154064078_34eeeb9d0d.jpg)

Then there this balloon-lifted (SIGINT?/ELINT?) array. Again, with an "Advanced Space Systems" partial file name.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/40064500013/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7853/40064500013_f28b9bbe50.jpg)

This one is much less a mystery, but I thought it might be of interest of some here. As per portions of its file name - "Advanced Space Systems . . . EML Electro Magnetic Launch to space"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33154068728/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7803/33154068728_7416837867_z.jpg)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on February 11, 2019, 04:02:12 pm
More interesting images posted as part of the Robert Kemp Collection by the San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Archives on the Flickr Commons.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/albums/72157691203954561/page7
Any additional information on the images posted below (and previously above) is welcomed.

The balloon-lifted array (see prior post above), now being tugged along (to a new location?) by a Sikorsky Skycrane (CH-54 Tarhe).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/33187515388/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7860/33187515388_42d03ab206.jpg)

A depiction of a mobile launched Project SLAM / PLUTO nuclear ramjet cruise missile (a.k.a. "The Big Stick.") (Mods, feel free to move to the SLAM/PLUTO forum topic, if more appropriate).
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/46338765404/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7825/46338765404_4fe278b85a.jpg)

Then there's this compact mystery craft. A proposed parasite or submarine-based fighter? Is it a real or notional aircraft? A figment of the artist's imagination? I haven't any idea what this is.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/46148992415/
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7811/46148992415_bf43d0e1d2.jpg)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: TomcatViP on February 12, 2019, 02:58:54 am
Look like it has skids to land on grass and other unprepared surface. See the french Baroudeur (https://youtu.be/dA708_GvGi4?t=42)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on February 12, 2019, 09:13:14 am
Its a GD/Convair design. It was featured on an advert or brochure posted somewhere (maybe here or Facebook?) from the 1970s. I'll try and locate this.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: hesham on February 12, 2019, 09:38:14 am
Its a GD/Convair design. It was featured on an advert or brochure posted somewhere (maybe here or Facebook?) from the 1970s. I'll try and locate this.

From my files,maybe this help my dear Paul.
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on February 12, 2019, 12:29:41 pm
Yep that's it - I just can't find the topic  ???
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: hesham on February 12, 2019, 12:35:30 pm
Yep that's it - I just can't find the topic  ???

Here it's my dear Paul,I made a big search;

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,30622.msg333882.html#msg333882
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: Boxman on February 15, 2019, 05:36:47 pm
The San Diego Air & Space Museum (SDASM) Archives have just posted a mother lode of three-views, blueprints, illustrations, etc. of various Consolidated/Convair, Brewster, Boeing, Curtiss, Douglas, Grumman, Lockheed, Tucker(!), etc., projects (built and unbuilt) roughly dating from the 1930s-1950s.

If I had the time, I'd list them all - but it is pretty overwhelming.

Take a look for yourselves. Note, as more photos/images are posted to their site, the further back they will move. Unfortunately, they haven't been posted as a distinct set.

Here's the link:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/page1

Here are some examples. These are from the "Convair A-44 design study":
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/46190090335
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7892/46190090335_9ec06cec35_b.jpg)
https://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/40139141943
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7904/40139141943_caf210e31b_b.jpg)
Title: Re: San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive
Post by: PaulMM (Overscan) on February 15, 2019, 10:57:29 pm
A lot of those drawings are copyright Alan Griffiths.