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Billions lost because they couldn't be loaded on a flatbed and trucked out of state??

Someone's ass should be fired. They knew perfectly well how serious the storm was.

Should have been trucked out of the area
Seems a lot of the (few) F-22s are in no flyable condition these days, not only because of hurricanes... :(

I am also surprised such important assets are not kept in hardened aircraft-shelters with blastdoors etc.
Do most US airbases do not have such hardened shelters?  :o
What in case of an attack or a war instead of a storm/hurricane?
Aerospace / Re: Chinese Stealth bomber program - XAC H-X (H-20)
« Last post by Airplane on Today at 05:14:17 pm »
we live in an era when crappy journalism is making a circles

Either way, I wonder how Russia feels to be outperformed by the Chinese? The Chinese are seemingly beating them on stealth fighters and bombers.

Aerospace / Re: SpaceX (general discussion)
« Last post by TomcatViP on Today at 04:42:56 pm »
the business model of some will then look questionable forcing them to react to still appear relevant to their backer; the public.

Think fighter jets.
Aerospace / Re: SpaceX (general discussion)
« Last post by sferrin on Today at 04:35:26 pm »
Being serious to reach that goal will probably trigger vivid discontentement among the industry (abroad and in the US).

Could you elaborate?
The Bar / Re: Belgium Army shoot down own F-16, on the Ground...
« Last post by TomcatViP on Today at 04:35:17 pm »
What we have heard so far is that the plane was supposed to be fully disarmed when the technician stepped-in for his maintenance work.
Aerospace / Re: SpaceX (general discussion)
« Last post by TomcatViP on Today at 04:29:26 pm »
Being serious to reach that goal will probably trigger vivid discontentement among the industry (abroad and in the US).

One remark although: this is probably marking the end of the segregated systems responsibility, a policy that has led the Space industry since its early soaring and expansion during the cold war. SpaceX being the only (mostly) competitor that embraces all of the key competencies in their design.

Mr. J. Leland Atwood (North American Aviation CEO) discussing NAA early space effort:

the Secretary of the Air Force was man named Harold Talbott who was from Dayton, and I guess his family was a very strong Dayton group, and they were part of the Dayton-Wright airplane organization during World War I and so forth. Harold Talbott was a pretty gutsy type, and he had his ideas of how the industry ought to be organized, and aircraft people were starting to make fringe items like accessories for airplanes, and he didn't like it.

    He passed an edict, in other words, that airplane makers were going to stick to airplanes, engine makers were going to stick to engines, and people who made the radios and starters were going to stick to their business. It was really quite dogmatic, and could hardly have been propagated these days, but in the days after the war, wartime control and mobilization still had fairly strong overtones, I guess.
Aerospace / Re: Japanese next generation fighter study (aka i3, F-3)
« Last post by Blitzo on Today at 04:03:57 pm »
no. Not sure at all. And that's probably where they will be heading for a fundamental upgrade with the advent.

But modifying the size, altering significantly the structure while maintaining its RCS will cost long years of development. I think that's why LM offered the F-22 body transplant. Hence my two lines of comment above. It's a faster way to get the same result.

Well, such a programme would involve restarting the F-22 production line, while also upgrading the entire F-22 to F-35 equivalent standards, and incorporating the likely inevitable Japanese subsystems, which would be fairly costly and time consuming.

Of course, it would likely be faster Japan going for a clean sheet twin engine heavy air superiority fighter (whether it's alone or with a partner) -- but it would be slower than going for a modded F-35 given the F-35 is still very much in production with a much more active infrastructure and industry still working on it

The way I see it, in terms of time and cost, it goes something like:
Clean sheet F-3 design > modernized F-22 >> modded F-35

But in terms of air superiority capability, it'll probably be something like:
Modernized F-22 would likely be similar in capability to clean sheet F-3 design >> modded F-35

The other factor to mention is the degree of Japanese industry involvement in the project, whether they have control of the key subsystems and so on. In that regard, I imagine it would be something like:
Clean sheet F-3 design >> modernized F-22 similar to modded F-35

So the most capable option that also has the most Japanese involvement would also likely end up being the most time consuming and expensive option. A modernized F-22 will probably be broadly similarly capable but will probably be only a little less expensive and slightly less time consuming but will probably not have anywhere near as much Japanese industry involvement. A modded F-35 OTOH will be the least expensive by far and also least time consuming but it won't have the same kind of kinematic performance as either a clean sheet F-3 or a modernized F-22, and like the modernized F-22 it probably won't have as much Japanese industry involvement.

... so it'll depend on what the JASDF ends up valuing more
Aerospace / Re: Aerion SBJ
« Last post by TomcatViP on Today at 03:54:49 pm »

David Richardson, Skunk Works’ director of air vehicle design, said that the finalization of the engine specs allows for Skunk Works to move on from conceptual work to developing a prelimary design, and he sees no major technical hurdles ahead. “There are no showstoppers, there are no technologies that have to be invented for us to get to where we need to be to make this airplane happen.”


Given the small number of aircraft envisioned by Aerion, GE Aviation isn’t going ahead with the project just for that company alone. “We don’t view this as one application,” Mottier [(GE)] said
Military / Re: F-22s may have been lost as a result of Hurricane Michael
« Last post by TomS on Today at 03:53:03 pm »
not stationed in a place where Hurricanes routinely hit.

I'm surprised they didn't fly them out of there before hand, it's not like the Hurricane suddenly appeared is it ----

The damaged aircraft appear to have been non-flyable.

Does that mean they were damaged 'before' the hurricane ?

Or in some level of deep maintenance that can't be easily put back together to flyable condition.  Remember Michael was supposed to be a tropical storm just a couple of days earlier, which would have been easy to ride out.
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