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Potez designations
« on: April 07, 2010, 09:04:22 pm »
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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2011, 04:12:22 pm »
Here is a list of all known Potez designations. If I missed something out or made a mistake, please let me know so I can update the list accordingly. Thanks to AM for providing a lot of the information therein.


Société d'études aéronautiques (SEA)

Created in 1916 by Henry Potez, Marcel Bloch and R. Lévy-Finger, with Louis Coroller as main designer.

SEA I   observation two-seater

SEA II   two-seat reconnaissance and fighter aircraft that did not fly

SEA III   three-seat reconnaissance aircraft which did not fly

SEA IV   biplane two-seat fighter
SEA IV C2   observation two-seater (also Potez IV reconnaissance two-seater)

SEA V   


Aéroplanes Henry Potez

Founded by Henry Potez in Aubervilliers in 1919. The company moves to Levallois in 1921. Louis Coroller still designs most aircraft. A new factory opens in Meaulte in 1925. Another one eventually opens in Berre. The company is eventually absorbed by SNCAN (later Nord Aviation) in 1936 but the designs keep the name Potez.
   
VII   passenger transport aircraft based on SEA IV

VIII   tourism aircraft
VIIIA   tourism aircraft
VIII   tourism floatplane aircraft
VIII   two-seat tourism aircraft

IX   light passenger plane

XA   three-engined colonial passenger aircraft
XB   three-engined military transport aircraft

XI   two-seat fighter

XII   reconnaissance aircraft

XIV   3-engined postal biplane

XV   reconnaissance-bomber
XV HO2   observation seaplane variant

XVI   single-seat fighter project

XVII   experimental long-range postal/liaison aircraft derived from Potez XV

XVIII   three-engined passenger plane

XIX   three-engined night bomber (also found as Potez 19 Bn2)

XX   four-engined three-seat bomber version of P.XVIII

XXI   multi-engined transport aircraft

XXII   passenger transport aircraft

23   fighter

24 A2   reconnaissance aircraft (also as XXIV A2)

25   short-range reconnaissance aircraft
25 GR   "grand raid" aircraft
25.12   short-range reconnaissance aircraft
25.23   raid aircraft
25.44   short-range reconnaissance aircraft
25 TOE   reconnaissance and bombardment two-seater aircraft

26   fighter

27   observation/reconnaissance aircraft

28/2   distance record aircraft
28M   distance record aircraft

29-2   transport aircraft
29-4   passenger transport aircraft
29-6   passenger transport aircraft
29-8   passenger transport aircraft
29-11   record aircraft
   
31   night fighter based on Potez 25

32   passenger transport aircraft

33   general purpose (observation/transport) version of Potez 32

34   distance record aircraft (Farman and Hispano-powered)

35   medium bomber

36   tourism/training light plane
36/1   tourism/training light plane
36/3   tourism/training light plane
36/5   tourism/training light plane
36/13   tourism/training light plane
36/14   tourism/training light plane
36/21   tourism/training light plane

37 R2   fighter-reconnaissance aircraft
371   (4 built)

38   passenger transport aircraft

39   observation two-seater aircraft
39H   
390   short-range reconnaissance aircraft and light bomber, production version of Type 39
391   short-range reconnaissance aircraft, production version of Type 39
391bis   observation floatplane variant
39-10   reconnaissance aircraft
392   short-range reconnaissance aircraft
393   short-range reconnaissance aircraft

40   colonial police aircraft
400   three-engined multipurpose colonial military transport

41   bomber
410 Bn5   bomber

42   sanitary transport

430   tourism/training three-seater aircraft
431   tourism aircraft
432   tourism aircraft
434   tourism aircraft
435   tourism aircraft
437   tourism aircraft
438   tourism/training aircraft
   
450   catapult-launched fighter-reconnaissance aircraft
452   observation floatplane
453   fighter floatplane

49 TOE   all-metal two/three-seat general purpose/observation sesquiplane version of P.392
49   all-metal parasol-wing observation variant

50   reconnaissance aircraft/bomber
501   observation aircraft
502   version of the Type 50 (1 built)
506   altitude record aircraft

51   training aircraft
510 ET2   training aircraft
   
53   racing/speed record aircraft

54   bomber
540   reconnaissance aircraft
541   bomber
542   reconnaissance aircraft
543   bomber

550

56   transport/recce/observation aircraft
56E   carrier-borne reconnaissance aircraft
560T   passenger plane
561   version of the Type 560 (3 built)
565   version of the Type 560 with a streamlined fuselage (one built and flown in Jan. 36)
566   observation aircraft
567   target tow aircraft
568   training aircraft
   
58      three-seat tourism/training aircraft
580   tourism aircraft
584   version of Type 580 (1935 - 4 built)
585   liaison aircraft
586   version of Type 580 (10 built)

60   tourism/training aircraft
600   

62   civilian passenger transport
620   civilian passenger transport
621   civilian passenger transport

63-11   three-seat observation/recce aircraft
630   heavy fighter
631   heavy fighter
632   conversion of the 630 prototype as a night fighter
633   light bomber
636   version of the 630 produced under licence by Avia in Czechoslovakia
637   reconnaissance aircraft
639   reconnaissance version of the 630 (1 built)

65   military transport
650T16   military transport based on Potez 620

660   passenger  transport aircraft
661   four-engined passenger transport aircraft
662   four-engined passenger  transport aircraft

670   two-seat heavy fighter
671   two-seat heavy fighter

68   twin-engined low-mid-wing project

700   twin-engined two-seat heavy fighter
702   twin-engined heavy fighter
703   projected variant of 702
705   projected variant of 702

75   light strike aircraft

840   passenger plane
841L   passenger plane
842L   passenger plane
843   passenger plane
   
870   derivative of the Potez 840

880   low wing light transport and freight aircraft
881   military transport version with protruding cockpit

89   twin-engined civilian version of the 840 with shorter fuselage to accommodate 9 passengers (not built)
890   alternate designation of Type 89

90   high-speed light transport aircraft based on Potez 75

91   redesigned version of Potez 75

92   single-seat twin-engined jet strike and close-support project sith rear-mounted engines to compete against Breguet Br 121

94   Super Magister training plane, a Fouga CM 170 derivative initially designated Potez CM 173


CAMS and Potez-CAMS designations

CAMS 70
CAMS 80
CAMS 90
CAMS 100
CAMS 110
CAMS-120
CAMS-130
Potez-CAMS 141   Antares long-range reconnaissance boat (also known as the CAMS-141)
CAMS-150
Potez-CAMS 160   experimental flying boat, scale-built P.161
Potez-CAMS 161   Picardie flying boat
Potez-CAMS 170   floatplane
Potez-CAMS 220   reconnaissance aircraft
Potez-CAMS 230   fighter derived from ANF Mureaux 190


Potez-Heinkel designations

CM 191   Fouga Magister derivative

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #3 on: April 22, 2011, 03:49:39 am »
I have the following additions:

371: 4 built
390: production version of 39.
391: production version of 39.
502: version of the 50. One built.
561: Version of the 560. Three were built.
565: Version of the 560 with a streamlined fuselage. One was built and flew in January 1936
584: version of 580. Four were built in 1935..
586: version of 580. 10 built.
600
632: Conversion of the 630 prototype as a nightfighter.
636: Version of the 630 produced under licence by Avia in Czechoslovakia.
639: Reconnaissance version of the 630 of which one was built.
890: Twin engined civilian version of the 840 which was not built. Also known as model 89.

I also believe that the following CAMS designs were designated as Potrez with the same numbers.
CAMS 70
CAMS 80
CAMS 90
CAMS 100
CAMS 110
CAMS-120
CAMS-130
CAMS-141
CAMS-150

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #4 on: April 22, 2011, 06:51:21 am »
Hi,

68  twin-engined low-mid-wing project.
703 & 705 developed from 702
90  high speed light transport aircraft,based on 75
92  single seat twin engined jet strike and close-support project
     and the engines was mounted above the rear of the fuselage
     in a new shape,it was designed to compete Breguet Br.121.

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 04:41:45 pm »
My dear Stargazer,

the Potez-CAMS 220 & Potez-CAMS 230 don't belong to CAMS,it belongs to
ANF-Les Mureaux after Potez took over it,and you can say Potez-ANF-Les
Mureaux 220 and Potez-ANF-Les Mureaux 230;

http://www.aviafrance.com/potez-220-aviation-france-924.htm

http://www.aviafrance.com/potez-230-aviation-france-1571.htm

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2012, 02:21:52 am »
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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2015, 11:52:11 am »
A bit more detail on Potez 63 variant designations ...

The Potez 63 was designed to meet the Service technique aéronautique (STAé) Programme Technique C3 (Triplace de Chasse) requirement of Oct 1934. Work began (led by engineers Coroller and Delaruelle) in April 1935 with a prototype flying one year later. A contract was received in May 1937 for 10 examples in fighter, night fighter, conversion trainer, light bomber, army co-operation, and attack aircraft configurations.

Potez 63 series designations followed the French pattern of applying numbers to the end of the type designation to indicate major design changes. In some cases, those designation changes were the result of different engine types being employed. More often, designation changes indicated the application of different mission-specific equipment.

Armée de l'Air (AdA) designations built on the manufacturer's form. To that maker's designation was added letters signifying role and numbers for crew -- so a Potez 630 C3 was of the first 63 series variant and a Triplace de Chasse (or three-seat fighter). Ada role abbreviations applied to Potez 63 series variants were as follows:

A --- Armée (Army co-operation)
AB -- Assaut-Bombardement (Attack Bomber)
B --- Bombardement (Bomber)
Bp -- Bombardement en Piqué (Divebomber)
C --- Chasse (Fighter)
CN -- Chasse de Nuit (Night Fighter)
Ins - Instruction (Conversion trainer)
T --- Travail (General Purpose)

No 'P' for Postale designation seems to have been applied to two Potez 63s modified as air mail carriers and transfered to Société Anonyme Air Bleu in late 1938. These aircraft are usually listed as 630s (although Golden Years lists F-ARIR as Potez 637 c/n 21 - possibly a conversion of Potez 630 c/n 1).

Potez appended country names to export variants, eg: Potez 633 Grec, 633 Roumain, and 63 (or 633) Franco-Roumain (for airframes begun for the AdA but completed for FARR). But I've seen no reference to a 'Potez 631 Finnois'. This style was also applied to at least two demonstrator aircraft -- the Potez 630 Suisse. Yet no such labels seem to have been added to the Yugoslav 630 demonstrator (F-AREY).

The planned Czech-licensed Potez 631 received a distinct type designation - Potez 636. However, there seems to be no record of a separate designation for planned licensed Mitsubishi 631 (to Spec 13-shi for a 3-seat, twin-engine fighter-bomber). Possibly the 'missing' Potez 638 designation was applied to this proposed Japanese variant?

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,12142.msg118569.html#msg118569

There is some confusion over prototype Potez 63 designations. Was the first prototype Potez 63.01 simply redesignated Potez 630.01 (after one of its many engine changes, perhaps)? Or, as some sources claim, was the Potez 630.01 a second prototype? Can anyone clear this up?

Further confusion surrounds the Potez 631 Ins and Potez 634 dual-control trainers. Did the ten Potez 631 Ins (taken from early Potez 631 production) obviate the need for the Potez 634? Or are, as some source claim, the Potez 631 Ins and Potez 634 one and the same?

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Potez 63 Series

Potez 63 - Multi-seat fighter, first flown April 1936
 - Potez 63: (As planned) 2 x 450 hp Potez 12D HO-12s*
 -- * The air-cooled engined were to buried in the wings
 - Potez 63.01: (As built) 1st prototype, 2 x HS 12Hbs**
 -- ** 580 hp Hispano-Suiza 12Hbs 14-cyl 2-row radials
 - Potez 63.01: (Re-engined) 2 x HS 12Ab 02/03 radials
 - Potez 63.01: (Re-engined) 2 x HS 12Ab 10/11 radials
 -- NB: Potez 63.01 later redesignated as Potez 630.01

Potez 630 - Series fighter with Hispano-Suiza 14 engines
 - Potez 630.01: Redesignated 1st fighter prototype*
 -- * Some sources list Potez 630.01 as 2nd prototype
 - Potez 630 C2: AdA desig., [?? Project only ??]
 - Potez 630 C3: AdA desig., 2 x 700 hp HS 12Ab 10/11
 - Potez 630 CN2 No.01: Night-fighter prototype, x 1

Potez 631 - Series fighter with Gnome-Rhone 14M Mars
 - Potez 631.01: 2nd prototype, 2 x 700 hp GR 14M
 - Potez 631 C3: 2 x 700 hp GR 14M 04/05 radials
 - Potez 631 Ins: Potez 630 trainer conv'n (GR 14Ms)

Potez 632 Bp2 - [Project] Divebomber conv'n (630 CN2)
 - Potez 632 Bp2: 2 x Hispano-Suiza HS-14Ab 02/03
 -- Potez 632 Bp2 completed as HS 14-powered Potez 633

Potez 633 B2 - 1937 light bomber derivative, 2 x GR 14M
 - Potez 633.01: 1st prototype, 1937
 - Potez 633 B2: 125 ordered, canc. after prod. begun
 - Potez 633 Roumain: x 20 for Romanian Air Force
 - Potez 633 Grec : x 24 for Greek Air Force
 - Potez 633 Franco-Roumain: x 20* for Romania**
 -- * 19 retained by the Armee de l'Air, 1939
 -- ** Completed from canc. Armee de l'Air order
 -- Undelivered Potez 633: China, Finland

Potez 634 - [Project] Potez 630 dual-control trainer
 -- Some sources say Potez 634 and 631 Ins were same

Potez 635 - [Project] Night fighter deriv. (cancelled)
 - Potez 635 CN2: 2 x +20° 20mm HS-9 or HS-404 cannon

Potez 636 - [Project] Licensed Czechoslovak Potez 631*
 - Potez 636 C3: Proposed Avia-built with Walter M14 Mars
 -- * Avia taken up with B.71 (Tupolev SB) production
 - Avia B.63: [Project] 2-seat bomber, Potez 636 deriv.
 -- http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1401.msg11739.html#msg11739

Potez 637 - Oct 1938 Army co-op-recce vers., belly gondola
 - Potez 637: x 60 ordered Aug 1938, AdA service May 1939
 - Potez 637 A3: Labrely F20/F30/F50 camera aft of gunner

Potez 638 - [??]

Potez 639 AB2 - Eval. order attack bomber prototype, x 1
 - Potez 639: Dec 1937 order conf., repl. 1 x Potez 633
 - Potez 639 AB2: 1 x -14° HS-404, vert. and wing racks

Potez 63.10 - [??]

Potez 63.11 - 3-seat army co-op/general purpose a/c, x 2
 - Potez 63.11 A3: Prototypes 01 and 02 flown Dec 1938
 - Potez 63.11: Submitted to Programme Technique T3

Potez 63.12 - Dec 1938 631 compl'd with P&W engines,* x 1
Potez 63.12 C3 - fighter with P&W Twin Wasp Juniors, x 1
 -- * 825 hp R-1535-SB4-G Twin Wasp Junior 14-cyl radials

Potez 63.13 Bp2 - Aug 1939 dive bomber prototype [conv'n?]
 - Potez 63.13 Bp2: 1 x prototype (Potez 63.13 Bp2.01)

Potez 63.14 - General Purpose aircraft, no other details
 - Potez 63.14: Submitted to Programme Technique T3

Potez 63.15 - General Purpose aircraft, no other details
 - Potez 63.14: Submitted to Programme Technique T3

Potez 63.16 - Jan 1940 Conv'n trainer for the Potez 63.11
 - Potez 63.16 T3 - Long-winged, unarmed trainer, x 1
 -- Prototype 63.16 T3, conversion of Potez 63.11 No.114

Potez 63... - [??] Others ??


Unnumbered (or Unknown Designation) Potez 63s

Potez 63 STOL - 1939 study* with 4.2m (or 4.18m) propellers
 -- * By Svetkopolk Pivko, Institut Aérodynamique de Saint-Cyr
 -- http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18486.msg177941.html


Potez 63 Follow-On Designations

The Potez 670/671 can be considered a Potez 63 development. This prototype was essentially a Potez 631 fuselage mated to the wings of the ANF Les Mureaux/Potez 220 army co-operation/recce aircraft.

Potez 670 - March 1939 prototype, long-range escort fighter
 - Potez 670-01: 2 x 700 hp GR 14M 03/04, conv. to 671-01

Potez 671 - July 1939 conversion of Potez 670 prototype
 - Potez 671: Re-engined with 2 x 800 hp HS 14AB 12/13s
 - Potez 671 C2: 40 ordered, prod'n begun at SNCAN Méaulte

Potez 672 - [Project] Acrobatic development of Potez 670
 - Potez 672: 2 x 1,000 hp Hispano-Suiza HS-12Y-21 V-12s
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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2015, 08:53:50 am »
Great work my dear Apophenia,


and I want to add;


P.672 was developed from P.671,as special acrobatic aircraft project,powered by two
1000 hp Hispano-Suiza 12 Y 21 engines.

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2015, 11:47:10 am »
Thanks for that Hesham. I'd never even heard of the Potez 672!

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2016, 08:47:28 am »
Hi,

Potez P-80 & P-82 were a three engined transport airplane Projects,no more details
are known ?.
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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2017, 02:39:40 pm »
To my dear Richard N;

30  was a two-seat fighter Project (C.2),developed from Potez-25
44  was a four-seat tourist airplane Project,powered by one engine
46  was a four engined flying boat Project
47  was a single seat fighter Project
48  was an unknown Project
52  was a twin engined flying boat Project
55  was an unknown Project
57  was a flying boat or seaplane Project
59  was a two-seat fighter Project (C.2)
61  was a four-seat tourist airplane Project
64  was a four-seat airPlane Project,developed from Type-63,with retractable landing gear

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Re: Potez designations
« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2018, 06:45:42 am »
Hi,

Potez P-80 & P-82 were a three engined transport airplane Projects,no more details
are known ?.

Sorry for this mistake,they were powered by two turboprop engines for each design,and
not three.