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Offline Skybolt

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2006, 09:30:55 am »
Sure !  ;D

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2006, 12:01:24 pm »
Hallo,

anther aircraft based on SE.1200 was SE.1260 flying boat.

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2006, 05:53:06 am »
 :( :'( Archibald, did you forget me=  ???  ;D
BTW, I'll have Aviation Francaise numero trois in a couple of days, I'll scan the article...

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2006, 08:27:20 am »
Skybolt,

will you sent your comments about Les Paquebots Volants?, This month's Le Fana comes with an advert and it looks a superb work but I would know if some unbuilt projects are included before ordering.

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2006, 07:27:42 am »
Sure, as soon as I receive it !  ;) Editions Lariviere advertised it with an October issue date, but knowning Lariviere... (not as bad as .... you know)

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2006, 07:59:09 am »
Saw "Les Paquebots"... my friend Giorgio Apostolo received it ahead of commercialisation for review. Very beautiful. No unbuilt projects, as far as I saw, but great documentation of Potez, Latè, etc. and minor types.

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2006, 08:02:15 am »
Now I own all the AFM collection... :D Expect number 3  >:(


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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2007, 12:22:58 pm »
About british flying boat projects, you should have a look here :
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1220.0.html

And then here's a french project, I'll be looking for information, too,
the SNCASE SE.1200. There was an article about it in Aviation Francais Magazine
N° 3 or 4. My subscrition started to late and htis number was sold out ..  :'(
So I#ve just this drawing :
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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2007, 01:30:39 pm »
Thanks Jemiba for SNCASE SE.1200.
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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2007, 06:21:42 am »
Tha AFM issue 3 on the SE.1200 hasn't a REAL 3-view. Photos of the model and a very schematic internal arrangement. I think something more is on display at Biscarosse....

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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #25 on: December 02, 2007, 02:36:26 pm »
Dear Skybolt, I don't know if you know already, but for the large "hexamoteurs" French flying boats, I can recommend........

S.N.C.A.S.E SE.200 (formerly the Lioré & Olivier H-49 Amphitrite).

Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 345; August 1998. Pages 10 to 17.
Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 346; September 1998. Pages 40 to 51.
Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 347; October 1998. Pages 36 to 41
Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 348; November 1998. Pages 20 to 31.

A four-part article by Gérard Bousquet; the final part is superbly illustrated with line drawings by Joël Mesnard. Interestingly the design of the tail-fins was modified five times with typical Lioré & Olivier elliptical style. There are also considerable differences between the wartime-completed prototype and the post-war production aircraft in regard to engines, cabin window arrangements and wing-root fairings. The final part of the article also show photographs of a planned retractable skid-type outboard float and a development with an inflatable and retractable "ballonnet" outboard float. This flying boat is on my list of impossibly beautiful French Airliner modelmaking subjects.

Potez-C.A.M.S 161.

Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 232; March 1989. Pages 32 to 37.
Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 233; April 1989. Pages 26 to 32.
Le Fana de l'Aviation, No. 234; Mai 1989. Pages 22 to 27.

The smallest of the three "Hexamoteurs", the braced-wing Potez from Sartrouville and its scale flying model, the Potez-C.A.M.S 160 are covered in these three articles by Gérard Bousquet with illustrations by Jean Molveau. Interestingly, this single prototype was obviously converted to a maritime reconaissance/bomber configuration with Potez-C.A.M.S 141 Antares style lateral turretsand then de-converted before it's first flight. Again this flying boat is on my list of models to be made, but is not so well illustrated as the S.N.C.A.S.E SE.200 or the Latécoère 631.

"Fana" also covered the earlier Potez-C.A.M.S 141 Antares Aeronavale flying boat; are you interested in details at all?

All best wishes,

Terry, (Caravellarella).
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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2007, 04:08:19 am »
Hi,

the SNCASE SE.4030 was high wing amphibian aircraft project,powered
by two Armstrong siddeley Cheetah or P&W engines.

http://www.flightglobal.com/PDFArchive/View/1951/1951%20-%201233.html
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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2007, 08:28:34 am »
Special thanks for that, Hesham !
Seems to be a larger version of the SE.4000 amphibian
(from Les Ailes via richard)
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Re: SNCASE (Sud-Est) Postwar flying boat projects
« Reply #28 on: October 16, 2008, 12:42:27 pm »
An old topic, I know ...

Jens mentioned the mistaken "Bv-238" identity. That aircraft was originally claimed by USAAF 1Lt Urban Drew as a "BV 222 destroyed on the waters of Schaal See". Only after the war did "Ben" Drew change his claim to the Bv-238 prototype.

The problem was, the Bv-238 V1 was at the Bug seaplane base (on Rügen in the Baltic) at the time of the P-51 attack. The Bv-238 was also fitted with new, reversible-pitch propellers some 3 months after it was claimed destroyed.

According to CAHS Journal (Summer 2008. p.73), the aircraft in question was the Potez-CAMS 161 prototype. The 4-engined Potez-CAMS 141 flew with E4 out of Dakar and was scrapped in 1944.

http://www.hydroretro.net/etudegh/potez.pdf
"Au début de l'année 1944, ne disposant plus de pièces détachées de rechange, l'appareil est réformé, après 1.800 heures de vol, au grand regret de son équipage, après avoir fait la preuve de ses qualités et de celles de l’appareil, malheureusement resté unique, mais dont la solidité est restée légendaire dans l’aéronautique navale française."

For the record, the Bv-238 was destroyed on 24 April 1945 by repeated stafing by Typhoons of 439 Sqn RCAF led by F/L Vic LeGear. The aircraft sank at its moorings. After the war, the remains were "dismantled" with explosives by RAF teams and hauled away for scrap.

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