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Offline Graham1973

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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #15 on: July 22, 2011, 07:54:29 am »
Well she looks a fine bird, probably not a good dog-fighter (But then the Fighting Area Attacks didn't need one). That said she might have given the bombers a nasty surprise, provided of course, her 'little sisters' (Spitfires) could keep the BF-109's away.

Makes one wish Lucasarts had done a 'Secret Weapons of the RAF'.

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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2011, 01:06:43 am »
325 Taurus engined pusher for comparison.


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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2011, 07:48:54 am »
Hi,
 The Westland Whirlwind was reputed to be better than the 109 below about 15,000ft.
The Type 327 would have had about 50% more power, better at altitude and narrower wingspan.
Agreed she looks a fine bird.
 
 
Well she looks a fine bird, probably not a good dog-fighter (But then the Fighting Area Attacks didn't need one). That said she might have given the bombers a nasty surprise, provided of course, her 'little sisters' (Spitfires) could keep the BF-109's away.

Makes one wish Lucasarts had done a 'Secret Weapons of the RAF'.

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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #18 on: May 31, 2014, 01:49:24 am »
I found the below diagram whilst digging around online, does anybody know which book it is from?

Just a remark based on a cursory look but the radiator in the outer wing looks very small to me.
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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #19 on: May 31, 2014, 10:37:32 am »
From the UK National Archives today- in which the entire Supermarine 327 brochure survives along with Air Ministry notes on it.

Note that total internal fuel is 220 imp gallons.

The files are clear that the armament arrangement was regarded as impractical (hard to disagree with) the pilot view was questioned (though the gunsight view was preferred compared to the Spitfire/Hurricane) and mostly importantly a large part of the decision making group thought turret fighters were the future and thus wanted no additional types beyond the Whirlwind, Tempest/Typhoon and Boulton Paul P.92 in development- which is interesting. In addition there were concerns about the design capacity at Supermarine given the number of projects they were working on and likely to bid on. There was also an offer to replace the cannon with 12 x .303 machine guns mounted in the outer wings but this was frowned upon because of likely scattering in the fire caused by wing flexing, although this does make me wonder whether additional fuel tanks could have been installed in the out wings. 
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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2017, 06:00:46 am »
All three projects to highlight the differences, taken from Beyond the Spitfire

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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2017, 07:05:47 am »
I got "Beyond the Spitfire"!! Excellent and exciting book. :o
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Re: Supermarine Type 327
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2017, 06:02:17 pm »
From the UK National Archives today- in which the entire Supermarine 327 brochure survives along with Air Ministry notes on it.

Note that total internal fuel is 220 imp gallons.

The files are clear that the armament arrangement was regarded as impractical (hard to disagree with) the pilot view was questioned (though the gunsight view was preferred compared to the Spitfire/Hurricane) and mostly importantly a large part of the decision making group thought turret fighters were the future and thus wanted no additional types beyond the Whirlwind, Tempest/Typhoon and Boulton Paul P.92 in development- which is interesting. In addition there were concerns about the design capacity at Supermarine given the number of projects they were working on and likely to bid on. There was also an offer to replace the cannon with 12 x .303 machine guns mounted in the outer wings but this was frowned upon because of likely scattering in the fire caused by wing flexing, although this does make me wonder whether additional fuel tanks could have been installed in the out wings.
Amazing!! :o

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