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Offline Arjen

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2010, 10:54:52 am »
It is just the one source that claims anything like it on the A.38, so I am none too sure about it myself; it may have been a typo. I do not like to dismiss the idea of Fiat working on a V-16 in the early post-war years completely. Mr Smith's book seems fairly accurate on most data I *am* able to verify on other engines, and other companies like Bristol, Pratt & Whitney and Wright put considerable effort into piston engines post-war. Mr Smith's claim that Fiat was involved in piston engines in the post-war years did strike me as extraordinary. So I thought to mention it on this forum.

As happens quite often since I have discovered this forum, I am confronted with hardware that is completely new to me - which pleases me very much.

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2010, 11:56:09 am »
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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2010, 12:30:11 pm »
So how's the Italian Secret Projects book getting on? Can't wait...

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2011, 04:19:20 pm »
......................................................and was an X-engine  with 24 cylinders. The designer was Ing. Dante Giacosa, that after the war succeeded Fessia and went on to become the principal designer for FIAT cars. It was rated on paper at 1900 HPs. The only two known and confirmed projects intended to be powered by the A.44 are the CR.44 and the BR.44, a light bomber, both from mid-1941. ................................

When I read "Br.44", I said ¡Wow!! a new unknown plane in town!!!, but research to date the only model that responds to the symbol BR.44, is the model built "under license" by Breda the DeHavilland Rapid dragon type, named by Breda precisely Br.44; unless...... maybe there is a subsequent project sharing the same denomination???

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #34 on: January 03, 2011, 03:02:32 am »
BR-44 stands for Bombardiere Rosatelli-44 (-44 since it was to be powered by A-44s). I discovered it in the few surviving files in the Archivio Storico FIAT a few years back. Breda aircrafts normally sported the Be-XX designation (changed to BZ when  Zappata went to work with them in 1942, and then to BP, Breda Pittoni, for the few known design by Ing. Pittoni, and the BP-471, naturally).
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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #35 on: January 03, 2011, 02:00:10 pm »
Breda aircrafts normally sported the Be-XX designation

Probably you have a misprint? "Be" was designation of Czech company Beneš-Mráz (and, of course, Russian Beriev); Breda designation was "Ba".
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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2011, 12:35:55 am »
The Breda acronym is a debated question: apparently, Breda documents and the aircraft sported only logos as BREDA 64, BREDA 65 and so on and the monogram Ba, Ba., BA or BA. seems applied only by Regia Aeronautica and Ministero dell'Aeronautica.
An intreresting matter also for the Designation topic...
...and a very happy New Year
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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2011, 04:01:00 am »
Yep, misprint... Happy New Year, Nico et all.

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #38 on: September 22, 2012, 07:01:52 am »
Hi friends!


I found this 3-view of the Fiat R-23. The original pic is very little so I tried to retouch it a few. However I'm sorry for the not best quality!

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