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Offline giorgio

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I came across this unknown-to-me two-engined fighter, reading an old aviation magazine. Is there some people knowing more of it?
it seems to have been designed but the  end of the war led to its demise....

thanks to all the contributors

Giorgio from Torino
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Offline Apophenia

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Skybolt probably has the complete story  ;D

Fiat R.23 - 1942 fighter monoplane project powered by two Fiat A.83 RC.24-52 'Vortice' radial engines (with possible DB603 or DB605 alternatives)

http://www.itisrieti.com/images/storia%20istituto/aerei.htm

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Sure, it was one of the last known projects by Celestino Rosatelli. I have darwings. Just let me scan them.

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Just let me scan them.

Looking forward to that!

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 02:52:24 pm »
The Rosatelli heavy fighter, foresaw different powerplants, such as the Fiat A83 RC24-52 of 1200 Hp Each
Here a three view with a unknow engine
Maybe you have more info

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Offline Apophenia

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 03:24:52 pm »
Thanks MC72! Going by the front view, those engines are presumably the Daimler-Benz (although the top view look very skinny!).

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2010, 12:57:58 am »
Thanks MC72! Going by the front view, those engines are presumably the Daimler-Benz (although the top view look very skinny!).

For me seems Isotta Fraschini Delta engines...

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2010, 04:38:39 pm »
In a summary appeared in the Italian magazine Alata, a brief review of some prototypes to war-end, see the Fiat R-23 which foresees a pair of Fiat A-83 RC24 radials of 1250 hp each.
The design does appear to be a Delta Isotta Fraschini Asso or Delta but without the 1250 Hp of the Fiat A-83  of the list of Alata.

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2010, 05:10:31 am »
Hi MC72,

what was Umbra B 55 M ?

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2010, 06:09:09 am »
Hi MC72,

what was Umbra B 55 M ?
hi, Hesham
You mean the Breda B 88M, which was a resurrection of the Breda 88; The B.88M was slightly larger and this time was intended as a bomber, but was quickly abandoned.
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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2010, 06:35:25 am »
Hi!

Nice find!

What prefix "R" stands for?
"G" means Gabrielli, so is there another chief designer, responsible for R23 projects?

Cheers!

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2010, 06:48:26 am »
Sure, it was one of the last known projects by Celestino Rosatelli. I have darwings. Just let me scan them.

Suffix "R" for Rosatelli
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Offline Apophenia

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 04:17:48 pm »
Suffix "R" for Rosatelli

Hence the occassional use of "CR.23" for Caccia Rosatelli.

BTW, two images on Flickr (San Diego Air and Space Museum Archive) claiming to depict the "Fiat CR-23" are obviously just different angles of the CR-30 (sic, shown in the same collection).
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sdasmarchives/4989967881/
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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2010, 05:51:28 pm »
The plane appears as Fiat CR.23 has a wrighting mistake, because the correct name is Fiat CR.25 a onest plane for liaison and VIP transport.
However, the Fiat R.23 is an attack aircraft with a narrow fuselage for two people.
Represented here with radial engines Fiat A-83 RC24 "Vortice"

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Re: Fiat R.23 twin-engine fighter monoplane project: an Italian "Zerstörer"
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2010, 06:18:06 pm »
Nice. Cowlings as per G.57?

Thanks for the CR.25 correction. I forgot that the CR.30 was a biplane leading to the CR.32  :P