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Offline Chaoic16

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Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« on: February 25, 2009, 08:34:28 pm »
This is one of my favorite project done by Daimler-Benz.  I have used search engine to see if there have been any discussion on this aircraft.  Since there is no thread on this aircraft project, I wish to bring this interesting information with you people.  this community appear to have great passion in sharing the know ledges, materials, and opinions about each of aircraft, so I see this as an opportunity for this community to bring many interesting discussion, materials such as data/blueprint, and opinion about Daimler-Benz Project 'A' to 'F'.

Here is little information on Daimler-Benz Project 'A' to 'F':
http://www.luft46.com/mlart/mldbce.html

(Project A)
http://www.luft46.com/db/dbbomba.html
http://www.anigrand.com/AA4023_DB_Project-A.htm

(Project B)
http://www.luft46.com/db/dbbombb.html
http://www.anigrand.com/AA4001_DB_Project-B.htm
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/DaimlerBenzProjectBPage.htm

(Project C)
http://www.luft46.com/db/dbbombc.html
http://home.online.no/~torp4/db_p_c.html

(Project E)
http://www.luft46.com/db/dbbombe.html

(Project F)
http://www.luft46.com/db/dbbombf.html
http://www.luft46.com/mrart/mrdbf.html

This project would of been German's first mini flying aircraft carrier that would carry many small combat aircaft under the wing toward the target.  If this project was bought to alive and began the evolution into bigger planes with different upgrades, this aircraft would have the potiental to become Germans' first flying aircraft carrier.  That is why this project is one of my favorite becuase this project is one of most vivid project I have ever seen!


Chaoic out...


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Offline borovik

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2009, 01:44:09 am »
See also an interesting posting Jemiba: "take-off method for fast aircraft" in the Patent Pending-
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5108.0.html

Offline Chaoic16

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2010, 09:39:32 pm »
I thought I would bump this pages because I have been looking and looknig for any more information on this project.  This project have been extremely interesting to me so I am hoping that one of you might have more information and documents on this project.


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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2011, 01:04:35 am »

Luftfahrt International N.24 1977 p.3797-3820 "Schnellstbombenträger": Factory drawings, project description, calculated specifications.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2011, 08:36:53 pm »
Thank you VERY MUCH for these drawings!  I added them to my library, it was very hard to find these drawing and 3 view plans. 

:)


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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2019, 08:33:33 am »
From Ali Nuove 11/1957.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2019, 06:43:34 am »
From Waffen Arsenal; Mistel The Piggy-Back Aircraft of the Luftwaffe.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2019, 01:26:34 am »
The 'Daimler-Benz' projects, aside from the fact that they weren't designated 'A' to 'F' by the Germans, were actually designed by Focke-Wulf (see attached) as I've said elsewhere. However, it's never been disputed that the Focke-Wulf designs were based on a concept originated by Daimler-Benz - namely that a handful of very fast bombers could be used to devastate RAF and USAAF air bases without fear of being shot down. The difficulty of how to get such bombers airborne when all of Germany's long concrete runways had been destroyed was to be overcome using a large carrier aircraft which would get the bomber aloft (so it didn't have to use its own relatively small and weak landing gear) then return to pick up another bomber and do it all over again. The carrier could also be used to carry a small fleet of suicide aircraft if necessary.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2019, 01:31:11 am »
It's never really been clear just how far the look of Focke-Wulf's designs reflected what Fritz Nallinger had envisioned for the concept when he came up with it in 1944. However, I recently discovered a rather low quality Daimler-Benz drawing which sheds some light on this point. Here's a taster - the full thing will appear in my next Luftwaffe bookazine.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2019, 03:00:50 am »
 Maj Jack Stewart of the Mayo Composite Aircraft Company, and agents working on his behalf, held extensive talks with German officials, including Udet, in late 1937 through to the summer of 1938 with a view to selling the patent rights to the Composite Aircraft method.  They were unsuccessful but obviously the idea was of considerable interest.
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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2019, 03:16:50 am »
Maj Jack Stewart of the Mayo Composite Aircraft Company, and agents working on his behalf, held extensive talks with German officials, including Udet, in late 1937 through to the summer of 1938 with a view to selling the patent rights to the Composite Aircraft method.  They were unsuccessful but obviously the idea was of considerable interest.

Indeed. Robert Forsyth's excellent but lamentably long out of print 2001 book 'Mistel: German Composite Aircraft and Operations 1942-1945' kicks off with a couple of chapters acknowledging that the British got there first (although Hugo Junkers evidently filed a patent for a composite design in 1929 under the heading 'start of flying machines'). It covers the whole topic in detail, including most composite 'secret projects', but it doesn't mention the 'Daimler-Benz' projects.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2019, 03:41:47 am »
Yes, the composite concept had arisen many times prior to Mayo's patents, the key part of which was a range of methods to ensure safe, positive separation. That alone was not really sufficient to enable him to licence global patent rights although he held great expectations.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2019, 04:47:58 am »
Yes, the composite concept had arisen many times prior to Mayo's patents, the key part of which was a range of methods to ensure safe, positive separation. That alone was not really sufficient to enable him to licence global patent rights although he held great expectations.

I'm aware of many articles on it, not to mention various chapters in various books, but is there actually a book out there anywhere dedicated to just the Short-Mayo composite story?

Regarding the 'Daimler-Benz' projects, as much as it is an interesting application of the Short-Mayo composite principle, the more I learn about the state of Germany at the time they were being worked on by both Daimler-Benz and Focke-Wulf, the more I wonder why on earth they bothered.
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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2019, 05:41:38 am »
You are my hero my dear Dan,

I discovered it before,when I saw this drawing,but I afraid from no one couldn't
believe me.

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Re: Daimler-Benz Project 'A" to 'F'
« Reply #14 on: March 16, 2019, 04:23:59 pm »
Yes, the composite concept had arisen many times prior to Mayo's patents, the key part of which was a range of methods to ensure safe, positive separation. That alone was not really sufficient to enable him to licence global patent rights although he held great expectations.

I'm aware of many articles on it, not to mention various chapters in various books, but is there actually a book out there anywhere dedicated to just the Short-Mayo composite story?

Regarding the 'Daimler-Benz' projects, as much as it is an interesting application of the Short-Mayo composite principle, the more I learn about the state of Germany at the time they were being worked on by both Daimler-Benz and Focke-Wulf, the more I wonder why on earth they bothered.

Especially considering that a large carrier aircraft, meant to get around the lack of runways, is arguably a more vulnerable target than the runways themselves. Just how would they have camouflaged the carriers on the side of a makeshift runway? How long would the takeoff run have been? Lots of issues that make the concept very dubious.