Boeing Model Designations: the 800 series
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Model 887---series of the Aerospaceplanes (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1079.15.html)
Model 887---series of the Aerospaceplanes (http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1079.15.html)
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Greetings:
BAC...Boeing Airplane Company designations for Dyna Soar began with
Model 814 series progressing through
Model 844 series.
There were many incremental series of DS gliders from the initial 1010 model throughout the 814 series that continued into the 844 series.
Example; initial Boeing System 464L (Dyna Soar) response in March, 1958) wa;
BAC Model 814-1010 Dyna Soar I glider.
This is off the top of my head since I'm at a Library Internet computer and not at home, but it is nevertheless correct.
Bomiwriter.
BAC...Boeing Airplane Company designations for Dyna Soar began with
Model 814 series progressing through
Model 844 series.
There were many incremental series of DS gliders from the initial 1010 model throughout the 814 series that continued into the 844 series.
Example; initial Boeing System 464L (Dyna Soar) response in March, 1958) wa;
BAC Model 814-1010 Dyna Soar I glider.
This is off the top of my head since I'm at a Library Internet computer and not at home, but it is nevertheless correct.
Bomiwriter.
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Gentlemen:
Here is a geneaology chart of Boeing spacecraft studies. Some or all may have made it into the model wind tunnel testing phase. I know some did, but no info on how many. perhaps this gives a peek into the late 1950s-1965 era of the Cold War space prjects.
Just to advise those interested in spacecraft projects. a 5,000 plus word article is now completed for publication in QUEST History of Spaceflight Quarterly. While most articles speak about a USAF Space Force and many AF Officers wrote a history of same, it is most always political in nature. My article is the "nuts n' bolts history of a discussed behind closed doors, "EOMSF" Earth orbital Military Space Force. By peruisng all my research and connecting numerous historical dots from post WW II, I completed an alternate view of cool but nevertheless, interest in a military satellite, space stations, trips to the moon, but pointedly...the formation of a military space force during and after Sputnik I and II. this describes formation, vehicles, missions, weapons, yup...Charlie, there really was talk of "death Rays," but such was untenable at the time, and the numerous Dyna Soar designs applied to a dozen plus missions. I expect my Military Editor will inform me if it is too sensitive or will fly. he is already squirming in wait for this 3-month nightmare that is now coherent enough to publish. Keep eyes and ears open. Will notify those at this site when it is published. The photos are phabulous!
Bomiwriter.
Here is a geneaology chart of Boeing spacecraft studies. Some or all may have made it into the model wind tunnel testing phase. I know some did, but no info on how many. perhaps this gives a peek into the late 1950s-1965 era of the Cold War space prjects.
Just to advise those interested in spacecraft projects. a 5,000 plus word article is now completed for publication in QUEST History of Spaceflight Quarterly. While most articles speak about a USAF Space Force and many AF Officers wrote a history of same, it is most always political in nature. My article is the "nuts n' bolts history of a discussed behind closed doors, "EOMSF" Earth orbital Military Space Force. By peruisng all my research and connecting numerous historical dots from post WW II, I completed an alternate view of cool but nevertheless, interest in a military satellite, space stations, trips to the moon, but pointedly...the formation of a military space force during and after Sputnik I and II. this describes formation, vehicles, missions, weapons, yup...Charlie, there really was talk of "death Rays," but such was untenable at the time, and the numerous Dyna Soar designs applied to a dozen plus missions. I expect my Military Editor will inform me if it is too sensitive or will fly. he is already squirming in wait for this 3-month nightmare that is now coherent enough to publish. Keep eyes and ears open. Will notify those at this site when it is published. The photos are phabulous!
Bomiwriter.
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FM: Bomiwriter:
Greetings. The EOMSF story got out of control. Now it is 6,500 words and 94 or so footnotes, os the story will be an in-depth history of the various weaponry constituting a projected Cold War era U.S. space force. I'm waiting to hear from my Military Editor and what he will say about it since I trod down unknown references to post WW II military space operations right up to and slightly beyond the initial Sputnik launches. This will be a unique look into the nuts n' bolts constituting a planned space force that would have consumed vast amounts of money just to research, build and test orbital weapons prior to paying for their operational use. Nuff said, and awaiting yay or nay from the Editor.
Thanks have have a good day.
Greetings. The EOMSF story got out of control. Now it is 6,500 words and 94 or so footnotes, os the story will be an in-depth history of the various weaponry constituting a projected Cold War era U.S. space force. I'm waiting to hear from my Military Editor and what he will say about it since I trod down unknown references to post WW II military space operations right up to and slightly beyond the initial Sputnik launches. This will be a unique look into the nuts n' bolts constituting a planned space force that would have consumed vast amounts of money just to research, build and test orbital weapons prior to paying for their operational use. Nuff said, and awaiting yay or nay from the Editor.
Thanks have have a good day.
Hi All!
Thanks you very much Stargazer2006!
Model 824---ICGM for the Dyna Soar/X-20
Model 825---START(Space Transport and Re-Entry Tests), it would boost-test vehicles to high speeds and altitudes.
...but Model 879---SAINT ?
Model 879---a Dyna Soar derived concept (APR,Issue Volume 2, Number 5)
Model 1047---not final evolution of DYNA-SOAR---AKA Model 814-1047-1 Dyna Soar proposal
Thanks you very much Stargazer2006!
Model 824---ICGM for the Dyna Soar/X-20
Model 825---START(Space Transport and Re-Entry Tests), it would boost-test vehicles to high speeds and altitudes.
...but Model 879---SAINT ?
Model 879---a Dyna Soar derived concept (APR,Issue Volume 2, Number 5)
Model 1047---not final evolution of DYNA-SOAR---AKA Model 814-1047-1 Dyna Soar proposal
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[A recap of 800 series Boeing designations pasted from the original designations topic—Mod.]
Thanks to hesham for reminding us about the following links:
Model-869
;http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2232.0/highlight,boeing+close+support.html
Model-896;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,329.0/highlight,boeing+896.html
Here is a set of previously unknown designations, which come from a document photocopied by fellow forum member Clioman on a visit to Boeing's archives in 1991 (more to follow). I've added a few that were collected elsewhere on this forum but hadn't been previously added to this thread.
Model 804 --- WS-110A program
Model 816 --- first TFX proposal for WS-324A (TAC fighter)
Model 823 --- WS-133A and WS-133B Minuteman
Models 843 to 851 --- related to X-20 DYNA-SOAR program
Model 852 --- SATURN Booster for DYNA-SOAR
Model 858 --- SATURN
Model 860 --- SATURN
Model 871 --- WS-133A and WS-133B Minuteman
Model 872 --- WS-133A and WS-133B Minuteman
Model 876 --- FLYING FISH (whatever that was!!!)
Model 879 --- SAINT
Model 890 --- MOBILE BOMARC
Model 891 --- MOBILE BOMARC
Model 892 --- MOBILE BOMARC
Model 895 --- X-20 DYNA-SOAR
There exists a confusion as to Model 837, which I listed as a "large series of swing-wing close-air support projects for the Army to replace the OV-1", but the picture I got from Aerofiles with that same number clearly shows one of the 869 designs. So perhaps the "837" number is all wrong... unless it is an earlier associated design?
Yes, a Dyna-Soar derived concept is also what I had... but there is no contradiction with it being codenamed "SAINT", is there?
A page devoted to the SAINT program (although Boeing is not specifically named):
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/saint.htm
Thanks to hesham for reminding us about the following links:
Model-869
;http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2232.0/highlight,boeing+close+support.html
Model-896;
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,329.0/highlight,boeing+896.html
Here is a set of previously unknown designations, which come from a document photocopied by fellow forum member Clioman on a visit to Boeing's archives in 1991 (more to follow). I've added a few that were collected elsewhere on this forum but hadn't been previously added to this thread.
Model 804 --- WS-110A program
Model 816 --- first TFX proposal for WS-324A (TAC fighter)
Model 823 --- WS-133A and WS-133B Minuteman
Models 843 to 851 --- related to X-20 DYNA-SOAR program
Model 852 --- SATURN Booster for DYNA-SOAR
Model 858 --- SATURN
Model 860 --- SATURN
Model 871 --- WS-133A and WS-133B Minuteman
Model 872 --- WS-133A and WS-133B Minuteman
Model 876 --- FLYING FISH (whatever that was!!!)
Model 879 --- SAINT
Model 890 --- MOBILE BOMARC
Model 891 --- MOBILE BOMARC
Model 892 --- MOBILE BOMARC
Model 895 --- X-20 DYNA-SOAR
hesham said:
There exists a confusion as to Model 837, which I listed as a "large series of swing-wing close-air support projects for the Army to replace the OV-1", but the picture I got from Aerofiles with that same number clearly shows one of the 869 designs. So perhaps the "837" number is all wrong... unless it is an earlier associated design?
nugo said:
Yes, a Dyna-Soar derived concept is also what I had... but there is no contradiction with it being codenamed "SAINT", is there?
A page devoted to the SAINT program (although Boeing is not specifically named):
http://www.astronautix.com/craft/saint.htm
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MODEL 806
Low-altitude attack proposal to the U. S. Navy's TS-149 Type Specification.
MODEL 807
Turboprop powered alternate design to the U. S. Navy's TS-149 Type Specification.
Low-altitude attack proposal to the U. S. Navy's TS-149 Type Specification.
- 806-1A: Single engine, top inlet, supersonic design.
MODEL 807
Turboprop powered alternate design to the U. S. Navy's TS-149 Type Specification.
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MODEL 814
First series of Dyna-Soar studies to the USAF's SS-/RS-620A specification, later System 464L.
Many more studies existed, not listed here.
*This could be a typo for either 814-1050-1 or 844-2050-1.
First series of Dyna-Soar studies to the USAF's SS-/RS-620A specification, later System 464L.
- 814-0002
- 814-1010: Initial Boeing System 464L response (March 1958).
- 814-1012
- 814-1040
- 814-1047-1
- 814-1050-1
- 814-2050-1*: competition winner, had between 75-90 cubic foot area in which "military payloads" may be inserted for reconnaissance, missions; external pods could be attached to the upper rear fuselage if necessary.
Many more studies existed, not listed here.
*This could be a typo for either 814-1050-1 or 844-2050-1.
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MODEL 816
TAC fighter proposal to USAF's Weapon System WS-324.
MODEL 818
Series of fighter proposals.
TAC fighter proposal to USAF's Weapon System WS-324.
MODEL 818
Series of fighter proposals.
- 818: STOL Fighter project (1958)
- 818: Swept-wing TAC fighter proposal competing to WS-324 against the F-111 (1962).
- 818-241: Variant of WS-324A for US Navy's TFX program (also designated Model 818N).
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MODEL 823
Solid-fuel, quick-reaction ICBM studied as multi-clustered, multi-stage Dyna-Soar I booster, but proved too complex.
MODEL 824
Apparently allocated to an ICGM for the Dyna-Soar (needs confirmation).
MODEL 825
Space Transport and Re-Entry Tests (START) vehicle designed to boost-test vehicles to high speeds and altitudes.
Solid-fuel, quick-reaction ICBM studied as multi-clustered, multi-stage Dyna-Soar I booster, but proved too complex.
MODEL 824
Apparently allocated to an ICGM for the Dyna-Soar (needs confirmation).
MODEL 825
Space Transport and Re-Entry Tests (START) vehicle designed to boost-test vehicles to high speeds and altitudes.
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MODEL 837
Large series of close-air support/battlefield support projects for the U.S. Army to replace the OV-1.
Includes many VTOL designs and also variable geometry designs.
Large series of close-air support/battlefield support projects for the U.S. Army to replace the OV-1.
Includes many VTOL designs and also variable geometry designs.
- 837-317
- 837-318
- 837-319
- 837-321
- 837-322
- 837-323
- 837-324
- 837-324A
- 837-325
- 837-326A
- 837-326B
- 837-327
- 837-327A
- 837-328
- 837-329
- 837-330
- 837-331
- 837-332
- 837-333
- 837-335A
- 837-336
- 837-337
- 837-338
- 837-339
- 837-340
- 837-341
- 837-342
- 837-343
- 837-344
- 837-354A: Project Daedalus Study Airplane "B" VTOL attack fighter.
- 837-438
- 837-503
- 837-505
- 837-507
- 837-508
- 837-509
- 837-512
- 837-515
- 837-518
- 837-533
- 837-557
- 837-558
- 837-559
- 837-560
- 837-561
- 837-563
- 837-564
- 837-565
- 837-569
- 837-570
- 837-571
- 837-572
- 837-574
- 837-652
- 837-653
- 837-654
- 837-655
- 837-657
- 837-651
- 837-663
- 837-701
- 837-702
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MODEL 843
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 844
Second series of X-20 Dyna-Soar re-entry vehicle designs (System 464L), taking over from Model 814.
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 846
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 847
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 844
Second series of X-20 Dyna-Soar re-entry vehicle designs (System 464L), taking over from Model 814.
- 844-2005
- 844-2035
- 844-2050
- 844-2050D
- 844-2050E: final configuration.
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 846
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 847
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
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MODEL 848
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 849
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 850
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 851
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 852
Saturn booster for the X-20 Dyna-Soar.
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 849
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 850
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 851
Project related to the X-20 Dyna-Soar development, no details.
MODEL 852
Saturn booster for the X-20 Dyna-Soar.
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MODEL 854
USAF Program for Astronomical Research and Scientific Experiments Concerning Space (PARSECS) (1957).
MODEL 855
USAF Program for Astronomical Research and Scientific Experiments Concerning Space (PARSECS) (1957).
USAF Program for Astronomical Research and Scientific Experiments Concerning Space (PARSECS) (1957).
USAF Program for Astronomical Research and Scientific Experiments Concerning Space (PARSECS) (1957).
MODEL 855
USAF Program for Astronomical Research and Scientific Experiments Concerning Space (PARSECS) (1957).
- 855-001: Version for close solar orbit.
- 855-1001: Version for Mercury.
- 855-2001: Version for Venus.
- 855-4001: Version for Mars.
USAF Program for Astronomical Research and Scientific Experiments Concerning Space (PARSECS) (1957).
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The Model 815 actually had two Dart engines, not four.
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