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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #150 on: November 07, 2017, 04:52:46 pm »
Everything I've seen suggests that the great majority of companies prefer to pretend that losing designs never existed. Boeing, after all, put forward a detailed proposal for the B-1, including building a full scale mockup of at least the forward fuselage; but as soon as Rockwell was selected, the Boeing effort vanished almost entirely. The Boeing archive a decade ago had nothing more on it than a handful of glossies. The whole project simply ceased to exist.

Full scale mockups are not built to last (plywood and foam), they take up a *lot* of space, and they give away company secrets. Consequently, turning them into kindling is an easy decision for the suits.
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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #151 on: November 12, 2017, 10:32:10 am »
I hear what you are saying Orionblamblam  :'(


P.S. you wouldn't have a picture(s) of the quoted Boeing
AMSA mock-up you could PM me would you?
Boeing, after all, put forward a detailed proposal for the B-1, including building a full scale mockup of at least the forward fuselage; but as soon as Rockwell was selected, the Boeing effort vanished almost entirely.


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Douglas CX-HLS Model
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Re: Douglas CX-HLS Model
« Reply #154 on: February 21, 2018, 08:28:01 am »
An awesome relic. The price, high as it is, may be appropriate... but who would buy this? What would they buy it for? It'd look great in a museum, but it's difficult to imagine that there are many museums that would have the floor space for something like this.
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Lockheed CX-HLS six engined concept of 1964;

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19640511/37/2


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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #158 on: September 12, 2018, 05:07:51 am »
Giants of the Sky by Bill Gunston
ISBN 1-85260-258-9

LOCKHEED MARTIN C-5 GALAXY: WarbirdTech 36


In 1960 the USAF launched Project Forecast which called for the world's biggest logistic transport, the CX-4, in the 600,000 lb category. It should be a jet. The only study I know comes from Douglas but I have no details about its Model Number. I guess that Boeing and Lockheed carried out its own designs.

With all the data generated under CX-4 study, the USAF launched an specification for a CX-HLS aircraft. The winner was Lockheed (C-5 Galaxy)

Douglas submitted several designs: Model D-890, D-895, D-900. According to "Giants of the Sky", the definitive design was D-916 while D-920 was the submission for the Wardbirdtech volume.

I have included to this post the D-920.

The last scan is Boeing C-5A from Giants of the Sky. Anybody knows Boeing's model number for it?

A clearer and larger view;

http://archive.aviationweek.com/image/spread/19631021/17/2

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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #159 on: September 12, 2018, 11:44:12 am »
I agree with scott opinion about full-scale mockups. The SST produced three of them (2707-200, 2707-300, and L-2000). The first vanished without a trace. The second only saved its nose, and after 40 years spent travelling across the United States. As for the L-2000, the FAA took it from Lockheed and used it for SST passenger evacuations, and then it was scrapped. A pity, really.

The Shuttle full size mockup survived only because the Shuttle kept evolving over the years and decades, and Rockwell had to keep up with the changes brought by NASA.
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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #160 on: September 16, 2018, 03:56:32 am »
Just found this snippet of information in the book The C-5A Galaxy Scandal: A $5 Billion Boondoggle by the Military Industrial Complex by Berkeley Rice

(P.S. I hope this info hasn't already been denoted  :o)




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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #161 on: September 16, 2018, 08:04:59 am »
Unbelievable. 200 000 pages, 5 months to read them, and then Lockheed managed to fool the U.S generals.  :o 
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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #162 on: September 19, 2018, 02:55:51 am »
Oh, found this information from The C-5A Galaxy Scandal: A $5 Billion Boondoggle by the Military Industrial Complex by Berkeley Rice very interesting!

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Re: CX-HLS (Cargo Experimental, Heavy Logistic Support) designs & derivatives
« Reply #163 on: November 08, 2018, 09:49:16 pm »
The Boeing CX-HLS design is featured in S Transport Projects #08, available here:
http://www.aerospaceprojectsreview.com/blog/?p=3580

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