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    I stumbled upon the Arie project online earlier. What info I found on it says it was essentally a drastically modified Kfir. The one pic I saw shows something that looks like more to it. Any 3 views anywhere? The same article mentions a proposed Super Kfir to be powered by a P & W F-100. Any further info on that one?

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look here
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10733&st=30
You can also browse Key publishing they certainly have a thread on the subject (even uninteresting!)
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Damn! I found pictures of everything what you want, but I am still unable to find Tier 3 stuff! AAAAAGH!!!

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     Thanks! I had followed that thread a few weeks ago, but haven't checked it lately. I thought it was done!

look here
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index.php?showtopic=10733&st=30
You can also browse Key publishing they certainly have a thread on the subject (even uninteresting!)

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     Thanks! That's pretty much what I had imagined it to look like. I understand its performance was quite improved with that engine. Any info on that?

Damn! I found pictures of everything what you want, but I am still unable to find Tier 3 stuff! AAAAAGH!!!

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Is the Super Kfir the same thing as the Nammer?  If so I have something on it back at the house.

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Damn! I found pictures of everything what you want, but I am still unable to find Tier 3 stuff! AAAAAGH!!!

I am familar with this drawing of the Nammer proposal for the early 90s.

Does the drawing depict the F404 or the PW1120 engined version?

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I am familar with this drawing of the Nammer proposal for the early 90s.
Does the drawing depict the F404 or the PW1120 engined version?

That is question. Seems to me like F404, but I am not 100% sure. There were warious propulsion proposals for Nammer:

1. SNECMA Atar 9K-50
2. General Electric F404
3. Volvo Flygmotor RM12 (in fact F404 with swedish afterburner)
4. Pratt and Whitney PW1120
5. SNECMA M53

For Sean: If I am right, than Nammer is combination of Kfir-C2/C7 and one of listed engine - this is called Nammer option 1. Nammer option 2 includes also Elta EL/M-2032 radar and some other equipment from cancelled Lavi.

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Re: From Super Kfir via Arie and Hadish to the Lavi - 70s IAI fighter studies
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2006, 05:24:54 am »

    I stumbled upon the Arie project online earlier. What info I found on it says it was essentally a drastically modified Kfir. The one pic I saw shows something that looks like more to it. Any 3 views anywhere? The same article mentions a proposed Super Kfir to be powered by a P & W F-100. Any further info on that one?

Here are some pictures of several configurations ...

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     Thanks, those are some of the ones I originally stumbled upon!



    I stumbled upon the Arie project online earlier. What info I found on it says it was essentally a drastically modified Kfir. The one pic I saw shows something that looks like more to it. Any 3 views anywhere? The same article mentions a proposed Super Kfir to be powered by a P & W F-100. Any further info on that one?

Here are some pictures of several configurations ...

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Re: From Super Kfir via Arie and Hadish to the Lavi - 70s IAI fighter studies
« Reply #11 on: September 04, 2010, 03:00:40 am »
Nammer Option 1 was designed for the F404, PW1120 or M-35 and could use re-worked Mirage III airframes, I guess for export purposes.

Nammer Option II used the EL/M-2032 or EL/M-2011 leightweight radar and other Lavi systems. The Volvo Flygmotor RM12 was the prime engne for Option 2. Length was 16m; 6260kg of weapons on nine hardpoints; normal and MTOW weights of 10,250 and 16,500kg; maximum sustained speed Mach 2.2 (Mach 0.2 faster than Kfir); 17,675m service ceiling and a lo-lo-lo attack radius of 1060km with two AAM, four CBU-58 and three droptanks.
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Re: From Super Kfir via Arie and Hadish to the Lavi - 70s IAI fighter studies
« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2010, 03:10:59 pm »
Drawings from Aviation & Marine International July 1978

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Here an article and a 3-view drawing of the IAI Nammer, found while searching in the WWW.


The article must be from the magazine Interavia.
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Early studies leading to the Lavi.
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