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Offline Abraham Gubler

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #90 on: August 24, 2013, 07:01:43 pm »
You can get an overview of Soviet COIN a/c here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,50.0.html
I've attached the picture from that site to prevent it from being lost.
About the type I'm a bit sceptical, the picture looks like being heavily doctored and I don't
think, that folding wings are really useful for a COIN a/c. But there are experts here
to tell !

There are lots of details on this model that scream fake. For starters it could probably never take off or land without destroying the propellers. Which as a pusher are far aft of the centre of gravity and unprotected by any tail strike stopper. So as soon as the aircraft rotates bang the blades hit the ground. Then there is a wing fold break out of line with the actual break in the wing. Strangely space wing pylons. Rear seat windscreen that looks cool but wouldn’t provide rear seat occupant with any kind of view forwards or downwards when flying.
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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #91 on: September 26, 2013, 12:20:44 pm »
just found this picture regarding the "Photon" aircraft. From an ICAS technical paper found at
http://www.icas-proceedings.net/ICAS2012/PAPERS/266.PDF





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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #92 on: November 27, 2013, 03:11:59 am »
An interesting report on projects by Yevgeny P. Grunin here. (translated to English, courtesy of Google Translate)

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #93 on: November 28, 2013, 10:52:52 am »
An interesting report on projects by Yevgeny P. Grunin here. (translated to English, courtesy of Google Translate)
Only a few profiles LVSh project based on the Su-25UB.

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #94 on: November 29, 2013, 04:20:06 am »
Amazing drawings my dear Borovik,


but are those a real; projects ?.

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #95 on: November 29, 2013, 07:52:15 am »
These projects and many other projects ( including those known to us as the ROS Aeroprogress : T -710 , 502, 712 , etc.) have been developed in the framework of LVSh / - light military attack or easily can be filled attack aircraft/ . Was such a doctrine that in case of war, attack aircraft must be recreated on the basis of which the element is available . There were projects with booths Su- 25, Su 25 UB , Mi-24 , with 2 cabins on the Ka-50 ( Ka-52 was not there ), etc. Therefore, images of different projects . Projects developed in KB Sukhoi , namely team/brigade №100-2 . Brigade Chief Arnold I. Andrianov and theme leader , Eugene P. Grunin .

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #96 on: November 29, 2013, 12:53:51 pm »
I would love to see some of the other variants of these projects (especially the ones with the Mi-24 cockpit!)...

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #97 on: November 29, 2013, 01:21:28 pm »
You want it, you get it !   ;)
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #98 on: November 29, 2013, 01:32:05 pm »
I would love to see some of the other variants of these projects (especially the ones with the Mi-24 cockpit!)...
Three images have to link CostasTT

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #99 on: November 29, 2013, 02:27:49 pm »
Ah - finally got the link to work!


47  designs?! It would make an interesting book.
We should create a thread somewhere to try to list all Russian Shturmoviks sometime - at this rate it is getting hard to keep track of them all. :D

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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #100 on: November 29, 2013, 03:58:33 pm »
Sukhoi / Grunin Designs


A lot of these were based on components of existing aircraft, the initial thoughts of this was a wartime contingency. Most are Su-25 derived - many of these designs were started within Sukhoi's 100-2 team, by Grunin and others who later left to form their own company.

T-710, T-712

Source: http://www.reaa.ru/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1228396393
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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #101 on: November 29, 2013, 04:03:41 pm »
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« Reply #102 on: November 29, 2013, 04:04:45 pm »
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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #103 on: November 29, 2013, 04:09:18 pm »
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Re: Soviet COIN and light Shturmovik Projects
« Reply #104 on: November 29, 2013, 04:11:14 pm »
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