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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #30 on: May 29, 2010, 11:52:04 am »
Here the pictures at the SDASM Archives.
Link: http://www.flickr.com/search/?ss=2&w=49487266%40N07&q=F-11F-1F+super+tiger&m=text
Notice the boundary layer intake bump.
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2 more pictures from that book,
From Steve Ginter's book on the Super Tiger as detailed above. I recommend this book if you are interested in the Super Tiger!
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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2013, 11:43:33 am »
From the book "F11F Tiger in Detail and Scale - D & S Vol. 17" by Bert Kinzey, Aero Publishers 1984

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2013, 10:40:15 pm »
Grumman factory display models of the USN F-11F-1F (2-seat variant) and USAF G-38J-1 Super Tiger designs.

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2014, 07:50:38 am »
How accurate was the claim that Super Tiger was unsuitable for carrier operation? And could it had been used from light carriers? Hermes for example or Foch and Clemanceau?

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2014, 02:36:36 pm »
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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2016, 06:54:04 am »
I have my Cutaway free interpretation of this fighter...!

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #37 on: October 08, 2016, 05:45:00 pm »
I have my Cutaway free interpretation of this fighter...!

Sorry Motocar but where am I able to find your
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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #38 on: October 09, 2016, 04:24:08 am »
How accurate was the claim that Super Tiger was unsuitable for carrier operation? And could it had been used from light carriers? Hermes for example or Foch and Clemanceau?

The Crusader needed some rework to launch from Clemenceau class carriers. Long story: the J-57 was big and bulky resulting in along fuselage and then, even with the variable incidence wing the Crusader landed too fast - you couldn't raise the nose too much otherwise the rear fuselage would have scrapped the deck. So the French had blown air added to the flaps to reduce the landing speed.

Specifications (F11F-1F)

General characteristics

    Crew: one
    Length: 48 ft 9 in (14.85 m)
    Wingspan: 31 ft 8 in (9.65 m)
    Height: 14 ft 4 in [8] (4.36 m)
    Wing area: 250 ft² (23.25 m²)
    Empty weight: 13,810 lb (6,277 kg)
    Loaded weight: 21,035 lb (9,561 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 26,086 lb (11,833 kg)
    Powerplant: 1 × General Electric J79-GE-3A turbojet
        Dry thrust: 12,533 lbf (53.3 kN)
        Thrust with afterburner: 17,000 lbf (75.6 kN)

Performance

    Maximum speed: Mach 2.04 (1,400 mph, 2,253 km/h[8]) at 40,000 ft (12,192 m)
    Range: 1,536 mi[8] (1,336 nmi, 1,826 km)
    Service ceiling: 59,000 ft[8] (19,980 ft)


Specifications (F-8E)

General characteristics

    Crew: 1
    Payload: 5,000 lb (2,300 kg) of weapons
    Length: 54 ft 3 in (16.53 m)
    Wingspan: 35 ft 8 in (10.87 m)
    Height: 15 ft 9 in (4.80 m)
    Wing area: 375 ft² (34.8 m²)
    Airfoil: NACA 65A006 mod root, NACA 65A005 mod tip
    Aspect ratio: 3.4
    Empty weight: 17,541 lb (7,956 kg)
    Loaded weight: 29,000 lb (13,000 kg)
    Max. takeoff weight: 34,000 pounds (15,000 kg) ()
    Powerplant: 1 × Pratt & Whitney J57-P-20A afterburning turbojet
        Dry thrust: 10,700 lbf (47.6 kN)
        Thrust with afterburner: 18,000 lbf (80.1 kN)
    Zero-lift drag coefficient: 0.0133
    Drag area: 5.0 ft² (0.46 m²)
    Fuel capacity: 1,325 US gal (5,020 L)

Performance

    Maximum speed: Mach 1.86 (1,225 mph, 1,975 km/h) at 36,000 ft (11,000 m)
    Cruise speed: 570 mph (495 knots; 917 km/h)
    Combat radius: 450 mi (730 km)
    Ferry range: 1,735 mi () with external fuel
    Service ceiling: 58,000 ft (17,700 m)
    Rate of climb: 19,000 ft min [93] ()
    Wing loading: 77.3 lb/ft² (377.6 kg/m²)
    Thrust/weight: 0.62
    Lift-to-drag ratio: 12.8

Overall the Super Tiger has a smaller footprint, which wouldn't be a bad thing for the Clemenceaus.
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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2016, 08:11:25 am »
How accurate was the claim that Super Tiger was unsuitable for carrier operation? And could it had been used from light carriers? Hermes for example or Foch and Clemanceau?

Where was it claimed that the Super Tiger was unsuitable for carrier operation?

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2016, 03:44:17 pm »
Cutaway Grumman XF11F-2 author Mike Badrocke an modified by Motocar

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2016, 02:08:45 am »
Oh very nice Motocar!!

Thank you for sharing!!

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #42 on: February 05, 2019, 10:08:57 pm »
Does anybody have any idea how much of a difference the wing-area of the F11F-2 was?  It would have almost had to have been bigger than the F11F-1 as it had a different inboard leading-edge, wing-tip, and trailing-edges.

The commonly listed 250 square foot listing is right off the F11F-1

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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2019, 10:33:44 am »
As far as I know, the Navy planned to buy the F11F with the J79 engine as the F12F (see the characteristics summary), although F11F-2 would have been the usual designation change to denote a different engine in basically the same airframe. For my ongoing attempts to correct the world with respect to the F12F designation being applied to the Grumman D118, see https://thanlont.blogspot.com/2008/09/is-this-grummman-f12f.html

Grumman created several variations of the D98 powered by the J79 and at least one other engine that would have merited an F12F designation or if it suited the Navy, F11F-2. One was the 98D, which the Navy informally compared to McDonnell's unsolicited proposal that resulted in the AH program. It had a wing area of 350 square feet like the F12F-1 characteristics summary.
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Re: Grumman XF11F-2 Super Tiger
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2019, 10:50:11 am »
If they'd done that would that have made the Blackbird interceptor the YF-13A?
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