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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2008, 11:03:49 am »
Some Heinkel solutions

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2008, 11:13:50 am »
From "Geheimprojekte der Luftwaffe - Band III"
by Dieter Herwig and Heinz Rode
Motorbuch Verlag 2002

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2008, 11:19:34 am »
Caproni-Vizzola solution

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2008, 11:23:11 am »
Bugatti solution

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2008, 12:02:07 pm »
Well guys,

I`m a bit like Mr. Magoo, but watching those somewhat blurry specs I would try to translate with my sketchy german:

Engine: DB-P83
something like ...doppel(double)... 2000hp each
Output: 16000hp
Bore: 150mm
Stroke: 160mm
Cylinder number: 110?
Capacity: 316,6 litres
RPM. 3200

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2008, 12:28:04 pm »

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2008, 12:51:34 pm »
Hi Justo,

Ok, that ends my entries. Defence rests. ;)

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2008, 04:55:26 pm »
Does anyone have stats (primarily speed) for the derivative P.1065 variants? Thanks.

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2008, 07:45:41 am »
From "Die deutsche luftrustung -Band 2"
by Heinz J.Nowarra
Bernard & Graefe Verlag

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2008, 12:17:39 pm »
Thank you,

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2009, 08:56:57 am »
I really like this project and i would like to scratchbuild a model of this , im aware of the unicraft kit, but the position of the cockpit doesnt really look  right.
are there any other methods i could sort of obtain a proper scale plan of this plane, either in 1.72 or 1.48 scale?
"Sorry mate, cant pick you up, the Messerschmitt's in the garage"

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #26 on: February 10, 2009, 02:02:53 pm »
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Just been looking at this design, certainly would get a few double takes if on display at any model show. To me the whole design is a bit of a nightmare, almost a designers bad dream, When I look at the layout and general view I keep thinking canard foreplane, tricycle nosewheel U/c for starters.  The U/c as is, looks far too frail to support such a design, and the tail wheel????? Tail wings and rudder look as if the were spares from the Hindenburg.
Am I right 5,000 kg (10,000lb) bomb load on an aircraft that is just under 14 m in length roughly similar size to a Mosquito?, where are they going to put all those bombs? to put it in perspective.
Cookie 4,000lb Carried by Mosquito
Tallboy 12,000lb - Lancaster
Grand Slam 22,000lb - Lancaster
Lancaster 102 ft W/span Length 69 ft considerably larger than a Mosquito.
Wonder what substances the designers were on? ok it is a design and a weird one at that, one of many weird German Luft 46 designs. Don't take my comments too seriously just trying to put some perspective on it. As I said earlier would be an interesting model.
Sandy

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #27 on: February 10, 2009, 09:23:03 pm »
Something, that just came up to my mind :
Luigi Colani was born in 1928 in Berlin, so he was in the age of
about 17 in 1945. An aircraft, that seems to be just a teen agers
dream...., a designer, who later extensively used contra props,
and in tandem arrangements, too ....  and who advertised the "symbiosis
of fin and landing gear" for weight saving.... , and whose designs were
very often encumbered in a very similar way with a non-existent cockpit
view ....  and quite probably unflyable ?

That's the evidence : There was the "Volkssturm" in german design teams  !    ;D
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #28 on: February 10, 2009, 11:49:09 pm »
It seems to have some point of contacts with a lot of Jona projects back in mid-30's.
Jona was an Italian aircraft designer and small producer essentially for private market.
Anyway he patented several design for fighters that was not so far from this one (and from Do 335 indeed even if well before it).

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Re: Daimler-Benz "Gruppenmotor"
« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2009, 02:29:05 am »
I woudn't give too much sense of actual connections to pusher configurations, flush cockpits and the like: there are scores of similar designs from, to say one, Pegna, who trained as a designer in the '10s and early '20s and came from ... nautical engineering....