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Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« on: June 18, 2006, 04:57:53 am »
Fleet Air Defence Aircraft (FAD)

Although this once banished to history project, has continued to resurrect itself from time to time, I thought I would flog this horse one more time. With the hope that I can get the information I so desperately sorted for many years.

The 1957 US Navy submitted a Request for Proposal (RfP) for a Fleet Air Defence (FAD) aircraft.

Although Douglas would be winner of the Request for Proposal with its F6D-1 Missileer, what of the other five aerospace / aviation companies submitted designs?
Does anyone know of these other designs?
Who they were they submitted by?
Do you have any artwork, drawings and specifications for these other five submissions??.

Does anyone have a 3-view drawing of the Douglas F6D-1 Missileer?
I have been looking for a 3-view drawing of the Douglas F6D-1 Missileer for years.
The only picture I have and have ever been able to find of the F6D-1 is a very boring one, that everyone uses (as per attachment)

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2006, 05:26:08 am »


Does anyone have a 3-view drawing of the Douglas F6D-1 Missileer?



Here is a (supposedly) Douglas sourced drawing.

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2006, 09:12:02 am »

Although Douglas would be winner of the Request for Proposal with its F6D-1 Missileer, what of the other five aerospace / aviation companies submitted designs?

Boeing studied the hell out of the idea. The designs they came up with ranged from the mind-snappingly-dull to the "what-the-hell-were-they-thinking."
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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2006, 04:49:12 pm »
Thanks Guys

These are great

But as you said Orionblamblam 'what was Boeing thinking'?

Keep them coming!

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2006, 06:57:52 pm »
I think it's a pretty safe bet we all know which of those Boeing designs fall under the "what-the-hell-were-they-thinking" category.......

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2006, 07:47:34 pm »
To the best of my knowledge, Grumman looked at three basic design approaches for this one.

1) Supersonic - Basically a variation on their XF12F proposal
2) High-Subsonic - Using the basic Intruder airframe as a starting point.
3) Low-Subsonic - Using a derivative of the S2F or W2F airframe.

I don't currently have any drawings of these.

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2006, 08:41:23 pm »
A fleet air defense Stoof? I'm sure some in Grumman nixed that one just on principle alone!

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2006, 09:40:25 pm »
Hay Orionblamblam

The 3-view drawing of the Boeing Model 835-6 looks as if it has the designs specifications / technical data, to the right of the drawing. Are you able to please post a copy of those on this forum, as I would like to see the designs specs when compared to the Douglas F6D-1's

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #8 on: June 19, 2006, 12:20:42 am »
I think it's a pretty safe bet we all know which of those Boeing designs fall under the "what-the-hell-were-they-thinking" category.......

Actually, I'd be tempted to call it "What were they smoking?", 'cept the funny stuff wasn't that available back then, as far as I know.

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #9 on: June 19, 2006, 06:52:44 pm »
Enjoy.
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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2006, 05:45:48 am »

   I think Lockheed offered a version of the Neptune.

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2006, 11:48:39 am »
Thanks a lot Orion for the Boeing 835-12, a twin-fuselage to add to my collection... :-*

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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #12 on: June 21, 2006, 01:09:10 pm »
Another F6D-1 3-view from Steve Ginter's Naval Fighters series No.4 'F3D Skyknight'
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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #13 on: July 08, 2007, 08:05:30 pm »
Greetings All -

I've seen but do not have archived images and drawings of the Douglas F6D Missileer.  I do have drawings for Vought's proposal which I've attached below.  Who else had proposals?  Seeing as the hardware from this program evolved into the F-14, there's some importance to the program though I doubt anyone at the time could have imagined the end result being the F-14!

Enjoy the Day!  Mark


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Re: Douglas F6D Missileer & Competitors
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2007, 09:11:04 pm »
Reminds me of my thought that a variant of the two-seat A-10, with a large AAW radar in place of the GAU-8, would make a good stand-off interceptor missile platform.
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