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McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« on: June 16, 2006, 07:09:26 am »
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2006, 09:53:37 am »
Some McDonnell-Douglas projects are found in the AFTI Projects thread

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=133.0
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2006, 04:08:40 pm »
McDonnell-Douglas ATF submission.

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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2006, 04:36:37 pm »
Yes, delta wing ATS design was one of two total of December 1982 nineteen*hard* ATF submissions.
Canard design with stright wings was submitted as air-to-air concept design.
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2006, 04:56:39 pm »
Heres the RFP Air-to-surface submissions
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2006, 05:04:58 pm »
More pre-ATF designs
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2006, 05:08:04 pm »
One more
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2006, 10:32:07 pm »
By chance, any 3-views or more concept art of the ATF design?

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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2006, 06:55:35 pm »
1). Here's a three view of the McDonnell-Douglas SF-1302 shown above; It appears to be sized for F404 powerplants.
2&3).An Advanced Strike Aircraft Concept
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2007, 06:14:50 am »
Top-mounted inlet fighter from 1985 MacAir study “Subsonic Diffusers For Highly Survivable Aircraft”

SUBSONIC DIFFUSER DESIGN AND PERFORMANCE FOR ADVANCED FIGHTER AIRCRAFT
C. C. Lee
McDonnell Aircraft Company
McDonnell Douglas Corporation
St. Louis
Chris Eoedicker
Flight Dynamics Laboratory
Air Force Wright Aeronautical Laboratories
Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433-6553 5433
AIAA-85-3073

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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #10 on: October 26, 2007, 05:05:26 am »
1986-1988 MacAir study of Supersonic Persitence Fighter (SSPF) Alrcraft - air-superiority fighter which emphasizes low drag for efficient supercruise and TVC nozzles for agility.

AlAA 1989-2816
Advanced Thrust Vectoring Nozzles for Supercruise Fighter Aircraft
J. Mace, P. Smereczniak and G. Krekeler
McDonnell Aircraft Company, St. Louis, MO
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WPAFB, OH, Wright Research and Development Center
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E. Thayer
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2008, 03:41:08 pm »
Supersonic Fighter Development. Roy Braybrook. Ed Haynes. 1987 ISBN 0-85429-582-8

Anyone can identify the weapons in ths drawing?

Thanks,

Antonio

Well, the under-nacelle weapons seem to be related to the modular missiles in Flateric's earlier post - the only difference is the small canards near the missile nose. http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,399.msg2577.html#msg2577

The general form of the belly missiles - stacked nose-to-tail remind me of the McDonnell-Douglas Model No. 252-111B strike project, as seen in this thread http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,508.0

As for the exact designations - I've only seen these types on McDD projects - so some internal McDD designs perhaps?

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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2008, 12:46:16 pm »
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2008, 01:30:35 pm »
SF-1302 is one that was shown in model form back in the 80s as an ATF concept.  Painted ghost gray as I recall.
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Re: McDonnell-Douglas ATS, pre-ATF and ATF studies
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2008, 07:00:45 pm »
*better quality painting of the MD ATF proposal*

Anyone notices the striking similarity with the mig wind tunnel testing model for their 1.44/1.42 project (more than the similarity between the test model with the 1.44 prototype itself).  Or are they the same thing :o ? Did anyone confirm that the wind tunnel testbed is actually 1.44? I see these images alot around the net claiming to be 1.44 study model, but no confirmation or reliable source that states so.  Anyone more knowledgable can shed some light for me?