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Bartini Postwar Projects
« on: June 15, 2006, 03:52:30 pm »
T-107 - 1945 passenger airliner
T-117 Kit (Whale)- 1947 military transport project
Bartini still was prisoner of NKVD's TzKB-28 'sharashka'.
What a dreamer, what a genious..an elegant design and elegant man!

The first transport aircraft with pressurised crew and cargo compartments.
Almost finished and scrapped due the same engines (Ash-73)  in waist quantities were needed for Tupolev's B-29 copycat.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2006, 03:53:42 pm »
more of T-117
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2006, 04:02:06 pm »
T-107 is T-117 based (and vice versa) passenger airliner
interiors
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2006, 06:10:35 pm »


Excelent post Gregori....

What a beautiful illustrations...

Is very interesting the history of Bartini,a convinced italian comunist who worked for the URSS, later was arrested with his whole team between the purges Then he got permission to work again, but in Siberia.

Saludos

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2006, 02:44:24 am »
Quote
... and not to forget Bartini's WIG aircraft carrier ...

Bartini seems to be the creator of the origin idea. OKB Beriev investigated a catamaran-like 'ekranoplan-avianosets' (i. e. 'Wing-In-Ground aircraft carrier') together with the TsAGI in 1963. An imposing model was tested on water - see picture below. A photo of the same model is published in the Ekranoplan book of the 'Red Star' series, but - as usual  >:(- I cannot find my own copy for the moment. In my memory it was pictured from a different angle and gives a better view to the markings of the landing site on the back of the mighty fuselage. More an aircraft carrier in the classical meaning/sense than the large concepts with tiny fighters under the wings.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2006, 03:37:43 pm »
Boxkite,

I have a copy from the Red Series "Russia's Ekranoplans" and thre are no pics from this design, only a short description.
I have the landing markings you describe but I can't remember where :'(. According to the markings, the carrier seems to be designed for VTOL aircraft....

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2007, 06:58:15 pm »
I always love those interior drawings where everyone has a barcalounger.  How come I never get on those flights?

Kim M :-[

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2007, 06:32:36 am »
Italians do it better...  ;D ;D 8)

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2007, 12:04:38 pm »

This beautiful interior design, it is if we are looking the Airbus A380 in the forties.

Great work, specially because we know the soviet authorithies didnt care about luxuries, or at least they said so.





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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2007, 01:57:19 am »
Oh, no Soviets cared  a lot, expecially for airplanes going abroad. I've been told that the interiors of the Tu-114 were outstanding. And just look to the Moscow subway!  :o

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2007, 03:37:16 pm »


Well Skybolt

I didnt know

I never been in Moscow!...sadly

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2007, 09:22:45 am »
Gregory, please testify!!! ;)

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #12 on: February 21, 2007, 10:31:16 am »
Umm, just rised up from this crowded hell...yep, comparing to Chicago it smells better and more roomy.
Comparing to London it's much cheaper (GBP 0.30 per one ticket everywhere). And it's damn fast way to reach office.
That's why Flateric still have no car. But, frankly, most of all I liked Prague subway.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2007, 12:24:42 pm »
Hi, I'm new to this forum. I've started working on CGI models. I am trying to make a "decent" cgi model of the Bartini A57. My reference so far has been the book "Soviet Secret Projects Bombers Since 1945" by Yefim Gordon, but it does not seem to be completely consistent. any help on this plane will be gladly welcomed!

Thanks a lot,

p.d.: a very simple, layout can be seen in my personal image to the left.
Well, boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader's mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we was flying any lower why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing...

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2007, 01:14:09 pm »
Hope it can help some way. I'd better trust more first GA drawings as more recent one.
Drawing 1 and factory model photos (they are not from Panchenko) are from Nikolay Yakubovich 'Planes of Robert Bartini' (2006) RUSAVIA
second GA drawing (with Tzybin RGSR) is from G.F.Petrov's Hydroplanes and Ecranoplanes of Russia 1910-1999 (1999) Rusavia

regarding dimensions, according to Petrov, wingspan was 36.5(37.1) m, lenght 69.5(72.5)
according to Yakubovich wingspan 31,5 m, lenght 71,3 m

AFAIK, no detailed bureau documentation on A-57 survived.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2007, 02:49:30 pm »
flateric,

I did not know that there was a book devoted to the aircraft of Roberto Oros Bartini. Does it cover all of his unbuilt projects? I don't seem to able to find it at Aviapress and would appreciate it if you cover provide a scan of the cover. Thanks in advance

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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2007, 03:44:14 pm »
Here it goes http://www.eastview.com/xq/ASP/sku=776915B/f_locale=/IAkubovich/Nikolai/Vasil'evich/Moskva/Russia/Russian/qx/russian/books/product.asp
EastView wants USD 54.95 for it...in Moscow model shop it's about 600 roubles = USD 24. Problem is there are NO easy ways to transfer damn money in Moscow. PayPal only allows Russians to send money, not get them. And Western Union rates are real scum - add another 20 bucks transfer rate..so finally price getting close to these EastView's one. Book has all Bartini's projects, but I can't say it's RICHLY illustrated. Not much BW photos and really good 3-views. I'd price it at the level of 10-15 bucks.

You can try to contact guys from http://www.club-tm.ru via post@club-tm.ru, they have this book for 690 RUB (25 RUB ~ 1 USD)
At least I know them and can trust them. They take WebMoney transfers.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2007, 06:06:11 pm »
Hope it can help some way. I'd better trust more first GA drawings as more recent one.
Drawing 1 and factory model photos (they are not from Panchenko) are from Nikolay Yakubovich 'Planes of Robert Bartini' (2006) RUSAVIA
second GA drawing (with Tzybin RGSR) is from G.F.Petrov's Hydroplanes and Ecranoplanes of Russia 1910-1999 (1999) Rusavia

regarding dimensions, according to Petrov, wingspan was 36.5(37.1) m, lenght 69.5(72.5)
according to Yakubovich wingspan 31,5 m, lenght 71,3 m

AFAIK, no detailed bureau documentation on A-57 survived.

Excellent information! And it makes it very clear that the cockpit if off-center. Thanks a lot!

Well, boys, we got three engines out, we got more holes in us than a horse trader's mule, the radio is gone and we're leaking fuel and if we was flying any lower why we'd need sleigh bells on this thing...

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2007, 07:18:10 pm »
Some "old" renders, one "glossy" to check the underside and the other with two Mig 21 (F-7) for scaling purposes.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2007, 05:39:06 am »
flateric,

Thanks for all the info, actually I was hoping that it might turn up on eBay one of these days.

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« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2007, 07:24:56 pm »
Thanks a lot varvarin!!! What I notice is a difference in the upper part. The drawing shows a "flat" surface, while the model and the drawings posted by flateric suggest a convex hull. any idea on this?

Cheers!
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2007, 07:35:22 pm »
I'd better believe in old B/W photos of actual factory desktop model and first set of drawings from 2007 issued book than to Panchenko models (with all my respect to his business). His company models are based on open publications and often inaccurate. His A-57 one surely based on old one drawings (lower set in my first post) from 1999 book. What for artist's impression - remember that A-57 hasn't definitive last iteration, so it may be just one of dozens studied.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2008, 01:39:19 pm »
I recalled that link I received via email, Thanks a lot  Scorp :)

http://www.livre-aviation.com/ROBERT_BARTINI_AIRCRAFT_DESIGNER__________EN_RUSSE-p-10022-c-1500_1525.html

Anybody knows if it is full of drawings about unbuilt Bartini projects?.


If that's the case I'll order a copy inmediatelly.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2008, 02:10:12 pm »
Er 2 (crew scape procedure) video



VVA-14 and 14M1P great video from Flateric



VVA-14 video



and some pics from :

Soviet X-Planes 2nd Edition 2000 (Gordon & Gunston) Ed Midland ISBN 1-85780-099-0
http://www.amazon.com/Soviet-X-Planes-Yefim-Gordon/dp/1857800990

Bartini Stal-8

The Osprey Encyclopedia of Russian Aircraft 1875-1995 (Bill Gunston) ISBN 1 85532 405 9
http://www.amazon.com/Encyclopedia-Russian-Aircraft-General-Aviation/dp/184176096X

Bartini DAR, Stal-6 and (Bartini) Tupolev MK-1

Le Fana de l'Aviation N 293 - April 1994.

Bartini Stal-7




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« Reply #25 on: March 30, 2008, 04:29:24 pm »
At a tangent, I was watching a documentary about Cold War bomber projects, and it had a section about Bartini (and some spiffy CGI of the jet flying boat bomber). There was a fascinating anecdote about him...

Bartini fell foul of Stalin's purges and ended up in jail in the late 1930s (I don't think he got out until after the war). During the war, the vile Beria, Stalin's sinister henchman and head of the dreaded NKVD, visited Bartini in prison. Bartini protested that he had no idea why he had been arrested, pleaded his innocence and professed his undying loyalty to Stalin.

Beria replied, "Of course you're innocent! If I'd thought you were guilty, I'd have had you shot."
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2008, 03:51:17 am »
Bartini links in the secretprojects forum:

T-107 and T-117

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,396.0.html

A-57

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2595.0.html

Project 2500 (I'm compiling more info about that monster to post it later)

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,918.0.html (Reply#6)

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2008, 04:57:10 am »
Hi,

also unknown project the T-203,and there is anther Bartini project of 1968.
http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/korsvvp-70.html
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« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2008, 01:50:02 pm »
 Stal - 6 ; Stal-8  inboard profiles
 Stal - 7 (pre DB-240/Er-2)
                          from "Wings of the Motherland' "magazine#2-95
Bartini MTB-2(1930)
 Span-53m
 lenght-31m
 height-9m
 Areal wing-372,1 m2
 MTOW-40000kg
 Engines- 4800-6000 (hp)
 Armament 2x37mm
               12x7,62mm
 max.bombs-6000kg
                         from "Polygon" magazine
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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2008, 02:02:52 pm »
Thanks a lot Hesham and Borovik :)

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« Reply #30 on: March 31, 2008, 02:28:45 pm »
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« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2008, 02:31:18 pm »
 E-57
 MVA-62 (pre VVA-14)
 VVA-14 under red stars
                      from: K.Udalov, G.Panatov, L.Fortinov "Airplan VVA-14"  Avico

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #32 on: April 01, 2008, 10:49:38 am »
Hi,

the T-203 was variable sweep wing aircraft project,and I don't
sure about those Bartini projects,R-100,T-301,T-503 and A58.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #33 on: April 01, 2008, 11:37:35 am »
T-117 mock-up. The aircraft was cancelled before receiving its Ash-82 engines because Bartini OKB was closed.

Source: Red Star Volume 33. Antonov An-12. Yefim Gordon and Dimitriy Komissarov. Ed Midland

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/product.php?productid=56234&cat=0&page=1

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2008, 09:33:58 am »
Hi,

the AL-40 was nuclear powered hydroplane of the 1960s,and look for this
strange concept of 1936.
http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/aviation/lesser-known-experimental-aircraft-12754-2.html

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2008, 12:34:42 pm »
Dear Antonio!
I have found in my archieve some technical descriptions and original albums of Bartni aircraft and projects. Also there is full list of aircraft (was sharing with P. Butowski some years ago), full list of scientific works, some papers from CC ICP and Bartini's hand-writing letter about what to do with his works and family after his death.
If you need missed info - contact directly.
I have tryied to attch. some pix - but today it was problem.
Regards

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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2008, 01:15:22 pm »
At last I have attached))

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« Reply #37 on: December 22, 2008, 03:03:55 am »
Dear Ucon,

thank you very much for that great pics!

Best regards,

Antonio

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« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2008, 09:23:56 am »
Dear Antonio!
Special for you and for all - one page from Bartini MVA-62 original album.
Hope you will enjoy it.
Best reagards

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2008, 07:02:07 am »
Very interesting images Ucon - thank you!  By chance would you have drawings of the assault transport shown in the artwork you posted (with the armored vehicles leaving the aft ramp - Bartini 002)?

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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2009, 12:39:55 pm »
Bartini WIG aircraft carrier
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2009, 03:35:24 am »
That is absolute great find. Many thanks Flateric!

Never imagined that WiG design airwing was composed with Su-27 fighters :o

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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2009, 04:02:17 am »
It may be post-Bartini Beriev OKB works, follow-on to Bartini's 2500 t WIG aircraft carrier (see attached photos posted by Boxkite and Hesham previously), but the breed is obvious.
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« Reply #43 on: January 14, 2009, 03:11:13 am »
Hello All

This is my first post here - first time caller, long time listener etc.

Just thought I would post a slightly clearer colour version of one of the WIG images posted previously. Apologies if this has already been posted - I couldn't see it anywhere else..

(found on http://www.beriev.com/eng/Pr_rel_e/pr_110e.html)

cheers

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« Reply #44 on: January 17, 2009, 09:06:59 am »
Little bit more on -107 and -117
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« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2009, 09:09:36 am »
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« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2009, 09:57:57 pm »
I always love those interior drawings where everyone has a barcalounger.  How come I never get on those flights?

Kim M :-[

One suspects that while the dream in the fUSSR may have been:



The reality was more likely to have been:


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« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2009, 11:44:56 pm »

One suspects that while the dream in the fUSSR may have been:
The reality was more likely to have been:

And then there's Airbus...

The dream:



And the forthcoming reality:
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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2009, 08:21:34 am »
Chuffin' eck!, seven hours plus transatlantic in economy was bad enough, but _standing up_!! :o

never mind, we'll be able to tell our grandchildren, 'when i was your age, airliners had seats in 'em, so you could _sit down_!' LOL,  ;D

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« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2009, 05:14:49 am »
Hi everybody

Maybe someone knows a drawing or picture of the Bartini AL-40 ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Ludvigovich_Bartini
Thanks a lot for help
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« Reply #50 on: May 23, 2009, 12:56:51 pm »
Bartini Samolet "M" - world long-range record aircraft.

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« Reply #51 on: May 23, 2009, 01:03:29 pm »
Quote
Bartini Samolet "M" - world long-range record aircraft

Thanks Ucon
Do you know the design date?

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« Reply #52 on: August 02, 2010, 09:33:16 pm »
Model and three-view line drawings of Project "T" designed by Robert Bartini circa 1960.

Source: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/bartini/t/index.htm

EDIT: Previously incorrectly identified as a Beriev project.
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« Reply #53 on: August 03, 2010, 11:05:44 am »
Model of ekranoplan aircraft carrier designed by Robert Bartini circa 1965.

Source: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/bartini/2500/index.htm

EDIT: Previously incorrectly identified as a Beriev project.
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« Reply #54 on: August 03, 2010, 12:41:48 pm »
Models of Bartini Project "T" from USSR-Russian Aviation and Space Collectibles.

Source: http://www.se-technology.com

EDIT: Previously incorrectly identified as a Beriev project.

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« Reply #55 on: August 03, 2010, 01:49:33 pm »
Mr Triton Projects Bartini never had the notation "Be", do not make misinformation. If you are not sure better specify the forum. Bartini has never worked in the Beriev Design Bureau. Just plane VVA-14 was based on the experimental plant because the patched CB Bartini Bartini did not have a pilot plant.

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« Reply #56 on: August 03, 2010, 11:13:22 pm »
The correct name of the LL-600 "Flying Boat" (incorrectly MP-600 and IL-600)

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« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2010, 07:15:43 am »
From Yakubovich book (see http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,396.msg21280.html#msg21280):

T-117 and F-57.

F-57 wasn't mentioned here before. It was small brother of the mighty A-57 - a tactical (frontline) bomber designed in the end of 1950s.
Technical data (calculated):
 Wing span - 12.9 m
 Length - 25.0 m
 Takeoff weight - 25 tons (28 tons overloaded)
 Crew - 1
 Powerplant - two Klimov VK-13 turbojets, each 10 000 kG thrust
 Maximum speed - 3000 km/h
 Cruise speed - 2500 km/h
 Service ceiling - 22 to 25 km
 Flight range - 2800 to 3100 km (normal weight), 3800 to 4100 km (overload)
 Takeoff run - 900 m
 Bomb load - 1500 kg

I attach small pictures to avoid piracy  :) .
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« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2010, 10:31:45 am »
Model of Bartini Stal-7.

Source: http://vipzone.ws/video/121081-genij-iz-sharashki-aviakonstruktor-bartini.html

DANGER: Link appears to automatically install malware and pop-ups for pornography websites.
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« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2010, 09:04:37 pm »
Artist's impression of Kor.SVVP-70.

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As a VTOL aircraft, Kor.SVVP-70 does not require large flight desks and/or special takeoff/landing facilities. Basic helicopter desk is perfectly sufficient, while speed and range far exceed helicopter capabilities.

Source: http://www.ctrl-c.liu.se/misc/ram/korsvvp-70.html
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« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2010, 09:35:25 pm »
Artist's impression and three-view drawing of A-57 strategic bomber. Bottom image is R-57 per ucon. Thank you ucon.

Source: http://www.testpilot.ru/russia/bartini/a/57/a57.htm
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« Reply #61 on: August 10, 2010, 01:40:22 pm »
Hi all!
Here is A-57 cutaway drawings

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« Reply #62 on: August 10, 2010, 01:42:45 pm »
Thank you Mr. ucon;D

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« Reply #63 on: August 10, 2010, 01:43:47 pm »
Dear Triton!
In your last post on top pic is not A-57, it is R-57

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« Reply #64 on: August 10, 2010, 01:49:10 pm »
In technical description this craft called "Ekranowoz". Very strange.
It is monorail by Bartini
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« Reply #65 on: August 10, 2010, 03:45:10 pm »
Spasiba tovrisch!
In God we trust, all others we monitor. :-p

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« Reply #66 on: August 10, 2010, 03:53:09 pm »
Model of "Ekranowoz" monorail designed by Robert Bartini.

Sources:
http://www.izmerov.narod.ru/monor/monor3.html
http://strangernn.livejournal.com/148884.html

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« Reply #67 on: August 12, 2010, 10:31:23 am »
Great Bartini projects !  :)
On "Aerei della Storia" of this month there are history of engineer Bartini and their works !
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« Reply #68 on: August 12, 2010, 11:34:32 am »
Dear Airman!
May I ask you to send to me a copy of this article?
Thanks a lot in advance.

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« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2010, 01:01:31 pm »
Hi!

On "Aerei della Storia" of this month there are history of engineer Bartini and their works !

It's quite interesting to knew an Italian view on Bartinis's life!
Overseas origins of Robeto Bartini, in my humble opinion, was one of the causes of it's 'special" position among other Soviet aircraft designers - with all good and bad sides of it.

Could you share some details of the article with me as well?
Thanks in advance!



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« Reply #70 on: August 13, 2010, 03:25:33 pm »
Dear Airman!
May I ask you to send to me a copy of this article?
Thanks a lot in advance.
I am on vacation : i haven't scanner on vacation, in article of "aerei della storia" seems have  not updates in confronting of this thread !
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« Reply #71 on: August 14, 2010, 04:01:58 am »
Hi Airman,
Are we talking about issue no.73 or could it be the next issue no.74?

Dear Airman!
May I ask you to send to me a copy of this article?
Thanks a lot in advance.
I am on vacation : i haven't scanner on vacation, in article of "aerei della storia" seems have  not updates in confronting of this thread !


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« Reply #72 on: November 15, 2010, 04:17:37 pm »
Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.


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« Reply #74 on: November 18, 2010, 05:33:00 am »
from m-n 'Aviatsiya i Vremya'

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« Reply #75 on: November 18, 2010, 03:41:54 pm »
Hi,

the T-203 was variable sweep wing aircraft project,and I don't
sure about those Bartini projects,R-100,T-301,T-503 and A58.

Thank you my dear Borovik very much,

and do you hear about those projects ?.

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« Reply #76 on: November 20, 2010, 12:59:23 pm »
Hi,

the T-203 was variable sweep wing aircraft project,and I don't
sure about those Bartini projects,R-100,T-301,T-503 and A58.
and do you hear about those projects ?.
Only A-58
Project 1958 Bomber (Flying Boat), designed for nuclear strikes within the continent. Further development of the A-57.
engine   : 4 NK-6
span     :  25,650m
lenght   :  46,20m
max speed :2000km/h
range . 6000km
ceiling. 18.000m
crew: 2-3
"Domestic bombers (1945-2000). Part 2 "/ S.Ganin, A.Karpenko, V. Kolnogorov, "Bastion", 2001 /

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« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2011, 09:13:36 pm »
Hi all.
There are different topics devoted to Bartini's projects. More or less they are known to aviation enthusiasts.
Here is M-RD by Bartini, not yet described in aviation magazines and books.
Some data.
Round the world (via both Poles) record aircraft. 1945-1947 project.
Wing span - 31 m, L=16,5, TOW=33640 kg, engines=2xM-31 diesel, distance=43 600 km, cruising speed=496 km/h

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« Reply #78 on: April 28, 2011, 09:35:47 pm »
Great! Thank you ucon!
The only detail of this project so far was a small photo of the model.
Tremendous attemp for this immediate post-war period!

Source: Avico Press
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« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2011, 10:05:48 pm »
Hi, Retrofit)
This photo circulates from my archiev, so if you need big sized just let me know.
Best regards

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« Reply #80 on: April 29, 2011, 01:12:01 am »
Hi, Retrofit)
This photo circulates from my archiev, so if you need big sized just let me know.
Best regards

Ooops, sorry ucon! I didn't know about its origin.

What final status was reached by this incredible project?
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« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2011, 12:24:53 pm »
Round the world (via both Poles) record aircraft. 1945-1947 project.
Do you mean a round-the-World record without stop, decades before the Voyager?
Wonderful twin-boomer anyway, thanks! ;D

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« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2011, 05:07:50 pm »
Amazing project! It looks like it could be Burt Rutan's brainchild, not like a 65-year-old design! Just love it.

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« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2011, 12:44:58 pm »
Bartini E-57 supersonic jet-liner. 1957. E means Europe.
Compare with Heinkel-211B-1 four years later.
Source: technical description of E-57.
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« Reply #84 on: May 06, 2011, 10:40:45 pm »
Thanks Ucon for having revealed it. Now, I can show the drawing I made of it:

(for my Web site about twin-boomers 1939-45 http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/update_FG.htm
, as the first drawing seems dated 1945 even if the project continued till 1947)

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« Reply #85 on: June 03, 2011, 03:15:52 am »
@ucon,

please give us some more details on this book/brochure:


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« Reply #86 on: December 02, 2012, 09:38:47 am »
Bartini T-6 agrycultural WIG project

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« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2012, 10:28:05 am »
Bartini T-20 project

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« Reply #88 on: December 13, 2012, 07:28:51 am »
My dear Ucon,


could you please tell us about the project T-20,I think it was WIG aircraft,and if you have any drawing
to Bartini T-203 variable swept wing aircraft.

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« Reply #89 on: January 25, 2013, 05:14:44 am »
Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.

I'm afraid that's the T-107, not the T-117. Here's a better version of it:

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« Reply #90 on: January 25, 2013, 05:38:05 am »
Hi,

anther artist drawing to Bartini T-117 project.

I'm afraid that's the T-107, not the T-117. Here's a better version of it:


May be Stargazer.

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« Reply #91 on: January 25, 2013, 11:41:45 am »
Yep, Im with Stargazer2006: Its the T.107 ;)
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« Reply #92 on: January 26, 2013, 02:40:03 am »
Star.. is closest I think.
 
The 117 design had a tripple horizontal lobe fuselage.

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« Reply #93 on: January 26, 2013, 03:34:12 am »
Yeah, and the 107 designation wasn't my own speculation, anyway... it was the caption to the image from the original Russian magazine in which I found it.

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« Reply #94 on: January 26, 2013, 03:58:42 pm »
At the beginning of this thread on the first page is the answer to your riddle. This T-117, which was the building but due to lack of engines was not up in the air

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« Reply #95 on: January 26, 2013, 04:32:35 pm »
At the beginning of this thread on the first page is the answer to your riddle. This T-117, which was the building but due to lack of engines was not up in the air

I'm afraid you misread the first post. What is said there is clear:

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T-107 - 1945 passenger airliner
T-117 Kit (Whale)- 1947 military transport project

As the image clearly shows a passenger transport, it can only be the T-107...

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« Reply #96 on: January 27, 2013, 02:14:49 am »
Are you familiar with the notion of a multi-purpose aircraft. So in the construction of a transport version and had the T-117.  The figure is one of the variants of T-117
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« Reply #97 on: January 27, 2013, 12:52:43 pm »
See : Flateric's post in the first page of this thread
and compare...
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« Reply #98 on: February 13, 2013, 01:44:34 am »
Some drawings from technical description of Bartini A-2500 ekranoplane

length - 183 м
width - 129 м
height - 48 м
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« Reply #99 on: February 13, 2013, 01:47:35 am »
Very nice ucon, as usual...

This "2500" was studied while under Beriev, right? But are the more recent Be-2500 proposals related to the Bartini KB in any way?

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« Reply #100 on: February 13, 2013, 02:19:48 am »
Beriev 2500 and Bartini 2500 are not equal, Stargazer))

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« Reply #101 on: February 13, 2013, 02:41:39 am »
Beriev 2500 and Bartini 2500 are not equal, Stargazer))

I know that! Allow me to rephrase my question:
  • Some Bartini projects were developed while Bartini worked for Beriev. Did Beriev develop the "2500" when he was still at Beriev, and can it be considered both as a Bartini AND a Beriev? Or was it developed after that?*
  • Is the current Be-2500 (which is also a WIG) derived in any way from Bartini's work?

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« Reply #102 on: February 13, 2013, 04:00:01 am »
1. А-500, A-2000, A-2500 were startarted in Novossibirsk, then continue in Ukhtomka and OKB-86
2. Yes

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« Reply #103 on: March 31, 2013, 10:27:16 am »
Some not well-known Bartini porojects from early 70-ies

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« Reply #104 on: March 31, 2013, 10:41:56 am »
Bartini E-57 supersonic jet-liner. 1957. E means Europe.
Compare with Heinkel-211B-1 four years later.
Source: technical description of E-57.
Dear ucon,
Was this E-57 supersonic jet-liner equiped with a delta wing without tailplane? (it is difficult to see on the photo)

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« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2013, 11:02:55 am »
Dear Retrofit,
yes, you are right.
Hope to provide soon some more info o this project

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« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2013, 12:09:51 pm »
Some not well-known Bartini porojects from early 70-ies

Thank you, ucon. Any chance of having the designations/descriptions to those numbers?
 

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« Reply #107 on: April 02, 2013, 09:20:09 am »
Some more Bartini projects


Dear Meteorit! Just to avoid any mistakes I will post Bartini's designations after making full order in my archiev)

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« Reply #108 on: April 03, 2013, 07:20:03 am »
These are amazing; big thanks Ucon.

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« Reply #109 on: April 15, 2013, 11:47:29 am »
Development of some VVA-14 variants

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« Reply #110 on: April 15, 2013, 12:58:18 pm »
Ou, ou....

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« Reply #111 on: April 15, 2013, 02:52:03 pm »
Development of some VVA-14 variants


Very cool my dear Ucon,thank you.

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« Reply #112 on: May 12, 2013, 07:08:26 am »
Hi all!
Four pix of two original Bartini models
VVA-14 and T-500 WIG
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« Reply #113 on: May 12, 2013, 07:44:44 am »
Very nice Models my dear Ucon.

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« Reply #114 on: May 13, 2013, 03:30:47 am »
Bartini Stal-7 model

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« Reply #115 on: May 13, 2013, 04:08:16 am »
Some amazing models here, ucon... Are they part of a museum's collection?

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« Reply #116 on: June 15, 2013, 12:56:13 pm »

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« Reply #117 on: January 02, 2014, 07:49:15 am »
Hi,


was this a real project to Bartini ?,I mean the AWACS variant.


http://alternathistory.org.ua/ekranoplan-t-proekt-bartini-1974g

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« Reply #118 on: January 02, 2014, 07:53:48 am »
Only ucon would know for sure... but he doesn't seem to be roaming the forum much these days... :(

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« Reply #119 on: January 02, 2014, 08:40:11 am »
Hi,


was this a real project to Bartini ?,I mean the AWACS variant.


http://alternathistory.org.ua/ekranoplan-t-proekt-bartini-1974g


Well, carefully read as called site alternathistory.org.ua. Here the guys fantasize and this is not a historical fact and fiction.

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« Reply #120 on: January 02, 2014, 09:14:05 am »
That's a problem with that site, I think, that otherwise holds a lot of information about
real project. But for all those not speaking/reading Russian, it's hard to differentiate.
Perhaps one of our native Russian speakers can give a clue ?
It takes a long time, before all mistakes are made ...

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« Reply #121 on: January 02, 2014, 11:51:48 am »
Well, carefully read as called site alternathistory.org.ua. Here the guys fantasize and this is not a historical fact and fiction.

Not as simple as that, igor-mich, and that's the problem. The site in question has pages that are pure fantasy and others which contain accurate historical information... and unless you read Russian fluently it's often hard to tell which are which...

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #122 on: January 02, 2014, 03:20:24 pm »
All historical information on this website you can find more reliable sources. There is no exclusive information.

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« Reply #123 on: January 02, 2014, 05:30:08 pm »
Maybe you can find - but, some of us have more trouble finding information (especially the rarer kinds or ones in some languages)  ;D

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« Reply #124 on: September 11, 2016, 08:34:46 am »
Little bit more on -107 and -117

So weird,in anther Russian book about Bartini,this artist drawing to a Project T-200 and not for T-107
or T-117,who we can believe my dear Flateric ?.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2016, 08:15:56 am »

I can't translate this Russian language for that project.
http://www.navylabs.ru/avia/bartini/

This Project called T-14.

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« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2016, 04:13:16 pm »
Development of some VVA-14 variants

That is a fascinating set of development studies!

This is my current understanding of what was planned by the mid-1970s:

- 14M1 initial prototype as built (2 cruise engines, inflatable floats)

- 14M2 planned VTOL lift jet prototype (2 cruise engines, augmented by 12 lift jets, inflatable floats)

- 14M1P rebuilt M1 prototype now as a WIG aircraft (2 cruise engines, augmented by 2 takeoff engines, steel floats). Correct me if I'm wrong, but it appears the fuselage was lengthened as well.


Production versions would include:
- A folding wing/tail ship born version (for use on the Project 1123 or converted merchant aircraft carriers)
- A transport version (32 people or 5000kg to 3300km)
- A search and rescue version (3 additional crew, 6 stretchers and 9 more evacuees, medical facilities and a motor launch).
- An astronaut and submariner retrieval variant of the search and rescue version (VVA-14PS).
- A version with a 200m-300m antenna (not sure about this?).
- A version with the polus anti-submarine complex which would engage submarines at 200 km (I assume this would attempt to hit ballistic missile submarines as they were launching their weapons?).

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.

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« Reply #127 on: January 01, 2017, 06:13:11 pm »
Some drawings from technical description of Bartini A-2500 ekranoplane

length - 183 м
width - 129 м
height - 48 м

Hello my friend,
I'm a new user in this forum. I'm building a scale model of this WIG carrier designed by Bartini. Where did you find these plans? There are more of them? I really need more references of this monster. Tnak you!

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« Reply #128 on: January 17, 2017, 01:24:06 pm »
Hi all!
Here is A-57 cutaway drawings
Do you have this drawing in a higher resoluto?

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #129 on: January 17, 2017, 01:45:35 pm »
Welcome aboard Gabrielorosco,

for my dear Ucon,he got it from Bartini/Beriev archive,and I will search to you in my files
about high quality of A-57 drawing.

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« Reply #130 on: January 17, 2017, 04:17:38 pm »
Thank you so much! I'm planning to build a large scale model of this bomber, and with good references I can make a better work. Thanks!

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« Reply #131 on: January 18, 2017, 04:42:07 am »
Hi Gabrielorosco,

here is all I have about Bartini A-57 and F-57.

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« Reply #132 on: January 18, 2017, 05:06:13 am »
Thank you! These images will help me a lot.
Regards,
Gabriel

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« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2017, 05:30:49 pm »
Hi! F-57.
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecured.cu%2FBartini_F-57&sandbox=1
Bartini F-57 (Russian: Бартини Ф-57) - Frontier bomber project of 1957 .  The priority given by the country's leadership to the development of ballistic missiles resulted in the cancellation of the project.  A development was also conceived as a reconnaissance aircraft under the name R-57 .

"History
 With the lack of success of the A-57 strategic plane and the medium-range Ye-57 , and taking into account the recommendations of the GKAT scientific-technical council, Bartini decided to develop a less ambitious project in the form of the F- amphibious frontal bomber -57 of 25 tons of weight.  The F-57 was developed was developed in the same year 1957 in the OKB -256 directed by Tsybin
 The calculations showed that using two VK-13 turbojets calculated for 10000 kg of thrust this aircraft could fly at a speed of 2500 km / h and a distance of not less than 2800 km, maintaining a landing speed of only 260 km / h.  With additional fuel the range could increase to 4100 km.
 The aircraft, like its predecessors, featured a skid landing gear consisting of a central unit located below the fuselage along the longitudinal axis and two additional units located at the bottom of the vertical empties.
 The Bartini F-57 was able to load 1500 kg of pumps in a composition of 10 pumps of 100 kg or a pump of 1500 kg.
 One of the GKAT documents specified that the aircraft more than fully covered all the characteristics demanded by the VVS for a frontal exploration aircraft.  Factory No.30 was chosen to prepare the production of the F-57 .  It seemed that this time, eventually, everything would mesh.  But soon the situation changed radically.  The country's top management took the decision to cut back the armed forces, which also affected the SVVs and decided to give priority to coheteril development.  Under these conditions the F-57 project was closed.
 Technical specifications
 (Calculated data)
  Function : Front Bomber
  Year : 1957
  Power plant : two VK-13 turbojets of 10000 kg of unitary thrust
  Accommodation : 1 crew
  DIMENSIONS ◦  Wingspan : 12.9 m
◦  Length : 26.6 m
Take-off weight : 25000 kg
  Maximum speed : 3000 km / h
◦  Maximum range : 3800 - 4100 km
◦  Practical roof : 22 - 25000 m
◦  Take-off run : 900 m
  Armament: 1500 kg of bombs in a composition of 10 pumps of 100 kg or a pump of 1500 kg. "
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #136 on: February 19, 2017, 06:53:19 pm »
Hi! A-55.
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ecured.cu%2FBartini_A-55&sandbox=1

"The project was presented in 1955 as a proposal for a mid-range supersonic bombardment hydroplaneThe denomination A-55 was proposed where the figures represented in year of presentation of the project.  The selection of the hydrokinea configuration allowed for the replenishment of the apparatus on the ocean near enemy coasts, from surface ships or submarines.  On the other hand, the hydro-jet configuration made it possible to eliminate the need for airports prepared for the long take-off and landing races of a supersonic device, otherwise very vulnerable to the attacks of enemy wear. "

Ucon-san's contribution.
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=396.0;attach=63442;image

Another site. Chapter 8 How to conquer America?
http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fmilitary.wikireading.ru%2F21616&sandbox=1

"The first version of the A-55 had canards and discharged after takeoff chassis truck.  In the process of refining the look of this car on the wheels refused, replacing them with skis and betting on the amphibious version.Amphibian A-55 can take off and land on the water surface, the snow and ice, allowing it to operate from airfields in forward-based, prepared in the Arctic drifting ice floes.   "

Interesing bottom picture(by Bartini?) source.
http://ruskaljetopis.hr/info.phtml?c=13&id=380
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« Reply #137 on: June 13, 2017, 08:57:09 am »
A hypothetical airplane by Bartini.

http://bezogr.ru/aktualenoste-temi.html

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #138 on: December 31, 2017, 07:51:46 am »
In my files,

in early 1950s,Mr Bartini had a Project for intercontinental bomber,but no more
details are known ?,it was not related to A55 & A57.
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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #139 on: January 05, 2018, 04:52:11 am »
In my files,

there was a Project for VVA-14,with retractable floats,was that right ?.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #140 on: January 05, 2018, 06:07:01 am »
Depends on how one defines "retractable", I guess. The VVA-14M1 had "inflatable" floats.
Is this what you refer to?


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« Reply #141 on: January 05, 2018, 07:20:16 am »
Thank you Dan,

but it had a different way as I think,and it was a Project only.

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« Reply #142 on: January 06, 2018, 03:20:06 am »
Yes, there was a second VVA-14 configuration with floats on telescopic struts and conventional stepped windscreen.
A model is illustrated in Sergey Komissarov's Russia's Ekranoplans, Red Star Volume 8.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #143 on: January 06, 2018, 07:14:06 am »
Nice shots PlanesPictures.

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« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2018, 03:31:23 am »
and some small posters

Very impressive and cool! Keep the good work going - 2018 will be great!

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #145 on: August 30, 2018, 08:30:43 am »
From le Fana 293,

here is some Batini aircraft and Projects,the mystery in picture # 3,and whole known
airplanes from him is in # 4.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #146 on: August 30, 2018, 08:37:32 am »
3.png shows the PVA-62.

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« Reply #147 on: August 30, 2018, 08:41:13 am »
3.png shows the PVA-62.

Thank you my dear Boxkite.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #148 on: August 31, 2018, 04:32:41 am »
why Bartin locked up his projects
whether they are really so advanced?

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« Reply #149 on: August 31, 2018, 05:55:20 am »
why Bartin locked up his projects
whether they are really so advanced?

I think it so far from realism and Mythical.

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Re: Bartini Postwar Projects
« Reply #150 on: October 09, 2018, 09:05:06 pm »
From the september issue of M-Hobby

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« Reply #151 on: October 10, 2018, 06:04:27 am »
Amazing find my dear Sienar,

and the T-118 is new for me.

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« Reply #152 on: October 10, 2018, 08:37:20 am »
What is being depicted in bartinit t210 usb.png?

Also, source?

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« Reply #153 on: October 10, 2018, 12:35:45 pm »
What is being depicted in bartinit t210 usb.png?

Also, source?

Boundary layer control. I listed the source in my post.

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« Reply #154 on: October 10, 2018, 02:31:03 pm »
Sorry! Missed it! Thanks!