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Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« on: February 07, 2008, 04:47:28 pm »
Please see attached some stuff from
-"Aircraft & Legend Focke Wulf Fw 190 & Ta 152" by Heinz J.Nowarra ,Haynes publishing , 1988


And four speculative  drawings by myself
Wingspan 13 m, Lenght (BMW 802)11,5m      (BMW 8011)11,8 m
SOURCE GRADING 4


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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2008, 11:36:35 pm »
Thanks again for your wonderful drawings and data. Do you know which was the engine power for that monsters?.

Thanks in advance.

 Both designs look mighty. I wonder why the FW-190/Ta-152 development was so delayed and why it was never boosted to the limits shown in that BMW 802 and 8011 versions. The Ta-152 proved to be a formidable fighter but. I guess a mix of circumstances conspired against it:

Political: Messerschmitt enjoyed better relationship with nazi leaders? That’s why Me-109 was a first line fighter to the end of the War?.

Technical: jet fighters appeared before the Ta152 could reach its full development?

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2008, 12:39:02 am »
According to this Luft46 source ( http://www.luft46.com/fw/fwbmw802.html ), the BMW 802 produced 2600 hp for take-off and 1600 hp at 39,000 feet. The BMW P.8011 produced 2800-2900 hp for take-off but no altitude rating is given.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #3 on: February 08, 2008, 05:23:38 am »
Political: Messerschmitt enjoyed better relationship with nazi leaders? That’s why Me-109 was a first line fighter to the end of the War?.

Far from it.  Willy Messerschmitt was forced off the board of his own Design Bureaux/Factory before WWII started IIRC.  He and Milch loathed each other.

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Technical: jet fighters appeared before the Ta152 could reach its full development?

Yes.  You have to remember, the BF109 started design in ~1933, four years before Kurt Tank started work on the FW190.  The FW190 was always hoped to succeed the BF109 by Tank.  The RLM merely wished it to supplement it.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 05:40:16 am »
Justo - I'd just like to say thanks for the fascinating info you've been posting here lately.

Source gradings - I take it 1 is primary documents, 2 secondary documents is this correct?what are 3 and higher?

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 07:47:20 am »
Justo - I'd just like to say thanks for the fascinating info you've been posting here lately.

Source gradings - I take it 1 is primary documents, 2 secondary documents is this correct?what are 3 and higher?


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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 12:33:41 pm »
Thanks again for your wonderful drawings and data. Do you know which was the engine power for that monsters?.

Thanks in advance.

 Both designs look mighty. I wonder why the FW-190/Ta-152 development was so delayed and why it was never boosted to the limits shown in that BMW 802 and 8011 versions. The Ta-152 proved to be a formidable fighter but. I guess a mix of circumstances conspired against it:

Political: Messerschmitt enjoyed better relationship with nazi leaders? That’s why Me-109 was a first line fighter to the end of the War?.

Technical: jet fighters appeared before the Ta152 could reach its full development?



Thank you ,Antonio for your kind words
History tells that the manufacturers with better political contacts in the Third Reich were Messerschmitt and Bachem , with Heinkel being the most poorly connected.
Like other good engineer , Kurt Tank lack social skills (You may see an example in the attached text , taken from "Las alas de Peron" by Ricardo Burzaco , Da Vinci ed. 1995)
The Ta 152 was built to compensate the low performance of the jet fighters at an altitude higher than 20000 ft.
Please find attached some stuff on the engines
See also "Le Fana" Nov 94

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 12:35:07 pm »
BMW engines -post 2

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2008, 01:57:30 pm »
Great photos of the 803.Do you no whey the 802 was not put into production.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2008, 04:23:28 pm »
Probably the main reason the BMW 802, etc were not placed in production was simply the engines had not reached a production state of development. Even the 801 was not fully developed, I have one report from 1944 where on a single mission, the abort rate for a/c powered by 801s was 40%+ IIRC.
As a point of interest, the BMW director for advanced projects (everything after the 801) was Dipl. Ing. Peter Kappus who last time I checked (2002) was still living in Cincinnatti.  I regret not being able to visit him since that time as he is (was?) one of the last engineers with  hands on experience in WWII German aircraft engine development. At the time of my last contact, he was in his nineties and sounded frail, but it is possible he still is around.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2008, 11:39:38 pm »
On a related note, in the April 2008 issue of Flight Journal, there is an article about the design of the Fw 190, the main text of which is a 1975 interview of Kurt Tank by a Dr. Alfred Price.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #11 on: February 13, 2008, 05:06:34 am »
Great photos of the 803.Do you no whey the 802 was not put into production.

My understanding is that and the development process the BMW 802 was long and involved (a little like the R3350 or the Centaurus). An unusual feature was that the supercharger was placed in front of the cylinders (in relation to the aircraft's direction of travel).

There was a wide ranging Cull of German Aero engine projects in 1942, many promising designs were eliminated for concentration on just a few. The Jumo 222 was in the same power class as the BMW 802 but development was continued with the Jumo whereas the BMW and the DB 604 were not pursued.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2008, 04:44:11 pm »


What a wonderful story about Peron, The Prince and Kurt Tank, Justo.

Thank you for the info.


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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2009, 10:52:35 am »
^^^^^^
I agree with you: an evolved version :)

BTW: What is in your avatar?
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2009, 01:37:39 pm »
BTW: What is in your avatar?
Probarly the Fw 190 C with a turbocharged Daimler-Benz DB 603 for high altitudes.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2009, 04:03:49 pm »
Fw 190 V-18/U1

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2009, 02:15:02 pm »
Fw 190 V-18/U1

Yes, is it : an experimental prototype !

well returning about escort fighters for Amerika Bombers ,  possible candidate as escort fighters for long range bombers was also Me-329

http://www.luft46.com/mess/me329.html
little ot about my avatar :
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/fw190v18.htm
you have right , prototype V-18/U1 was prototype for Fw 190 C but project was halted  by technical problems and opposition to use of the DB 603 (which was needed for other aircraft types).It was obviously !! :D
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2009, 09:24:52 am »
Via Paul Malmassari
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2010, 10:23:39 pm »
The Ta 153 is actually a testbed  aircraft originally called the Fw 190 Ra-4D and was the plane which initially tested the long-spanned wing .But it was not complete because the factory was overun.Is this pic are the real art of the Ta 153 or it is the Fw 190D

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2010, 11:54:40 pm »
According to the following source it is a drawing of Ta-153:

http://sandglasspatrol.com/IIGM-12oclockhigh/Ta152.htm

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2010, 01:05:54 pm »
GH+KV is usually identified as the Fw-190v-32/U1 (WNr 0057). It had a DB 603G with Fw-190v-13 style oil cooler and enlarged Ta-152 style tailfin but, IIRC, the standard Fw-190 wing.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2010, 02:23:02 pm »
From
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2010, 09:44:27 pm »
That machine actually had the slightly extended wing of the earlier Fw190B project, a unique item not used elsewhere.
(the '190B was attempting a high altitude machine using a BMW 801 with hi-alt features and extended outer wing sections, don't know if more than one machine was built and flown. Not successful.)

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2010, 02:06:02 am »
Hello,

I'm looking for 3 view drawings or pictures of the Fw 190D-14.
Someone could help me ?

Thank you very much.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #25 on: April 06, 2010, 06:14:41 am »
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #26 on: April 07, 2010, 12:17:17 am »
Thank you very much Mr MIRANDA !

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2010, 08:16:33 pm »
Interestingly, in the new(ish) Focke Wulf Ta 152 book by T.H. Hitchcock (see cover below), the attached pic is also purported to be the Ta153.



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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2010, 11:54:48 am »
This is the information from RV Resin by Radek Vavrina from the book 'Special Drawings: Focke Wulf Fw-190C - Focke Wulf Fw0190D/Ta 152 part 2'
These are left and right, top and underside detailed drawings of the Ta-153 V-32/U-1

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2010, 12:40:14 pm »
Ta-153 front view and color view from Radek Vavrina's Special Drawings Book of the Fw-190C to Ta-152 part II.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2012, 04:49:14 am »
Saved from an old split topic, this Focke-Wulf Fw 190 V19 project:

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2014, 07:50:45 am »
Hello all!
 
I thought I'd ping the folks here to check this out.
 
Do any of you know if the Luftwaffe ever experimented with Lorin ramjets by mounting them on the wingtips of a FW-190?
 
Thanks!

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2014, 11:44:06 am »
Here...

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2014, 12:55:09 pm »
What was the Idea behind this concept ?
just like P-51D with Marquardt ram engine, getting more speed ?
and is this the origin for the P-51D Ramjet test in 1946 ?
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2014, 01:05:08 pm »
Hight altitude performance ,Fw 190 A-10 variant

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2014, 02:09:05 pm »
Were the engines ever used in flight?  You would want to be really REALLY sure both engines came on at exactly the same time, and went off at exactly the same time.
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2014, 02:41:13 pm »
What was the Idea behind this concept ?
just like P-51D with Marquardt ram engine, getting more speed ?
and is this the origin for the P-51D Ramjet test in 1946 ?

This site claims the plan was to test the engines intended for the Triebfluegel concept: http://paralympic-ph.com/germanvtol/tribflugfolder/drawing3.html

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2014, 09:34:52 pm »
Seems nevertheless to be quite an immature idea to me. As Bill pointed out, small delays in
starting an engine, or differences in the produced thrust would have been very dangerous,
probably fatal. And what I once read about testing of the Lorin engines (on the back of Do 17/
Do 217) thrust setting wasn't very sensitive. Putting a single engine under the belly probably
would have been safer for the test pilot.
 
But many thanks for that link, Martin.   
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #38 on: February 12, 2014, 10:25:29 pm »
A ramjet for the Spitfire was looked at in 1940, again in 1944 and the RAE flew a Mustang I with twelve RAE PD.1 ramjets in 1944. See BSP.4 Ch.10.

A lot of parallel evolution went on in this field, so suspect that was the case with the US Mustang project. Plus US ramjet effort was ahead of everyone else in 1945 anyway.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2014, 07:50:19 am »
Hi

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« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2014, 01:08:42 pm »
Okay, so, it was real, then?
 
At least "real" in concept, right?
 
I ask as I just picked up a model kit of such a configuration and the other items by the same manufacturer, Bird Models, seemed more like post-war "Luft 46!" inventions than anything actually worked up during the war.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2014, 02:02:33 pm »
Real project,please see attached microfilm with Focke Wulf logo and 1/144 model from Paul Malmassari.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2014, 09:53:09 pm »
As Martin found on that site about that site mentioned above, this installation was meant as a test
for the Triebflügel project. If that's correct, the model with its armamnet and paintwork would be more a "whif",
not to disparage the skill of the modeller.
I would think, with regards to shape and size of that ramjet, it was the same type, as envisaged for the Triebflügel
and probably more powerful, than those actually fitted to the wingtips of the P-51 and F-80 (The former test aircraft
is mentioned as having been lost here http://www.enginehistory.org/f-80tj.shtml, anybody knows the reason ?).
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2014, 07:37:21 am »
There's a bit more alleged background information (mostly in German, without a source quote) in the item description at this Ebay sale of a corresponding model kit modification: http://www.ebay.de/itm/Focke-Wulf-Fw-190-A-10-Lorin-1-72-Bird-Models-Bausatz-/231096384882

Relevant (translated) text passages:

"Model kit of a projected but not realized research aircraft for high speed flight, the Focke Wulf FW 190 A-10 Lorin"

"When
Focke Wulf was designing its Triebflügel, it began the development of small, powerful ramjet engines. In order to test them, a high-performance airplane was to be used, since ramjets begin to work only at a minimum speed of 300 km/h. For this purpose, it was decided to convert a Focke Wulf FW 190 A-10 series aircraft, so that an engine would be mounted on each wing tip. Thus, it was hoped to bring the engine to series production, and this construction was also seen as an important milestone in the development of the actual Triebflügel design. The project failed partly due to the lack of availability of the engines, and on the other hand, the RLM did not want to provide a test aircraft."

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This airplane had been projected in 1944 for testing the ramjets for the FW Triebfluegel. Because ramjets are [sic, obviously a 'not' missing] working until a speed of min. 300 km/h, it was planned to test the ramjets on a high power airplane like the FW 190."

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2014, 01:15:25 pm »
Good.  I'm feeling better about my purchase then!  I like "what ifs" and all manner of paper projects - but they have to be real paper projects and not some imaginings conjured post-war.
 
As to armament on the test aircraft, would an unarmed German plane - even one conducting test flights - be a wise choice?

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2014, 03:30:05 pm »
Quote
and is this the origin for the P-51D Ramjet test in 1946 ?

AFAIK, the ram-jet of the P-51 tested in 1946 was a US design made by Marquardt.
Another P-51 was fitted with a German engine which was actually a pulse-jet.
(I collected some info here http://www.jimbrooks.org/aviation/info_P-51Mustang.php)

A ramjet for the Spitfire was looked at in 1940, again in 1944 and the RAE flew a Mustang I with twelve RAE PD.1 ramjets in 1944. See BSP.4 Ch.10.

What book does "BSP" refer to?
« Last Edit: February 14, 2014, 03:47:08 pm by jimbrooks »

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2014, 05:07:12 pm »
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2014, 06:45:13 am »
Lorin and Triebflügel  VTOL

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2014, 11:48:13 am »
This is my 1/72 Fw 190 with wingtip ramjets.  Revell 190 with my own Lonewulf conversion.  The Germans tested ramjets of various sizes, first on the back of an Opel Blitz lorry then on Dornier Do217E.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2014, 09:01:47 pm »
Beauty!

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2014, 05:55:36 am »
And from Flugzeug Classic 2/2005.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #51 on: April 02, 2014, 04:43:00 pm »
British appraisal of BMW (& others) from 'Flight' in `45..

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1945/1945%20-%202395.html
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« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2014, 07:52:03 am »
From Jet & Prop 5/2009,


the external tanks for Focke Wulf Fw.190,the mounted over the wing is
very strange by that time.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #53 on: September 05, 2015, 04:26:49 pm »
Hello, I've been a long time lurker of Secret Projects and I was hoping if anyone had any further information on the Fw-190 A-10. So far the info I've been able to glean are: the first attached image is supposedly from a Kagero drawings book and the latter is a kitbash from What-If forums from what I have found over the internet. Does anybody have info on the new wing the aircraft was to have and the the placement of the 30mm Mk103's in the wings? I post occasionally on Shipbucket and I've been working on drawing the entire Focke-Wulf 190/Ta-152 series so any thing in the ways of blueprints would be greatly appreciated. Also attached is a WIP drawing of the Fw-190 F-10 using the available info I have, if anyone can suggest changes that would be helpful as well.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #54 on: September 06, 2015, 02:51:57 am »
Welcome here,

I'm not an expert for the Fw 190, only thing I found by a quick search is, that wing
area was increased from 18.3 to 20.5 sqm according to Nowarra and that varaints
R1 to R3 (analogue to the A-9) show up in contemporary documents, but if they actually
were built is unproven.
About your attachements, I would suggest, that you send them to the mail adress I just
sent via PM and I'll attach them to your post. Five posts are the minimum number for the
forum software to allow attaching pictures, IIRC. But we can easily solve htis problem,
I think.  ;)

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #55 on: September 06, 2015, 09:32:15 am »
Hi

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #56 on: September 06, 2015, 10:57:12 am »
With 20,5 m, span would have been doubled, resulting in a kind of F-104- to U 2 modification.  ;)
I think, it's a typo and meant was wing area.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #57 on: September 06, 2015, 11:17:57 am »
???

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #58 on: September 06, 2015, 11:47:55 am »
a kitbash from What-If forums from what I have found over the internet


This was one that I did back in 2008.  It was based upon available descriptions at the time which were that the A-10 version would have looked nearly the same as an A-9 with the exception of the larger tail and an uprated engine.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #59 on: January 24, 2016, 03:22:46 pm »
Thanks. Super!!! My professor. :D

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #60 on: January 25, 2016, 03:03:45 am »
Thanks. Super!!! My professor. :D

I've done a lot of work with the original documents. More to follow.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #61 on: February 07, 2016, 06:53:01 am »
Hi!
Fw Fighter Project with BMW P.8011 engine.
P.8011 engine's base is BMW 802 engine. BMW 802 engine had two stage two speed mechanical supercharger which located front of the engine.
BMW P.8011 engine had two stage three speed mechanical supercharger, intercooler and two small turbochargers.
But I can't find turbochargers in this side view drawing. Where is the turbocharger? Both side of the front fuselage same as turbo Raiden?
Of course this top drawing dose not include engine crank shaft, cylinders and pistons.

http://aviacia-all.ru/fokke_vulf_BMW802.php
"Alternative powerplant (sketch design was not accepted): 1 x BMW R8011 takeoff power 2800-2900 l.; Here we are talking about a BMW 802 with two turbochargers and two coaxial aerial propellers."

From Luft46
"P.8011 engine. This powerplant had a 2800-2900 HP take off rating. It was basically a BMW 802 with two exhaust gas turbines enclosed in an aerodynamic cowling, and it drove two contrarotating propellers."

Mechanical supercharger of BMW801 engine is located rear of the engine.
http://forums.airforce.ru/attachments/do-1945/68046d1448095731-bmw-801.jpg/
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #63 on: February 07, 2016, 07:59:54 am »

And four speculative  drawings by myself

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Just, cool!!! as always, Justo!  B)

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #64 on: February 07, 2016, 03:04:46 pm »
But this drawing which hesham-san posted seems to have engine exhaust nozzle without turbocharger. Hmmm....???
Anyway engine exhaust nozzles were located front side of the fuselage.
Sorry for duplicating post.

I find another two stage mechanical supercharger shape(perhaps BMW design) in internet.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #65 on: February 07, 2016, 05:52:47 pm »
Ummm.....turbocharger?? ;D
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #66 on: February 09, 2016, 03:34:05 am »
Hi! Focke Wulf fighter project with BMW803 engine.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #67 on: February 09, 2016, 03:43:16 pm »
 ;)
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #68 on: February 09, 2016, 11:11:48 pm »
Thanks a lot. Super!!!
This bottom drawing shows BMW802 engine with two stage mechanical supercharger which located rear of the engine? :o
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #69 on: February 09, 2016, 11:23:25 pm »
After all, in essence, it's a fake? ;D
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2016, 02:51:02 am »
After all, in essence, it's a fake? ;D

I found the Source of those Picture
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/5074888145
the maker "dizzyfugu" say about this design this:

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From the original 1941 annular radiator design (a ring opening around the central fuselage), the arrangement was modified in April 1943 to a single drum radiator in the nose and, alternatively, twin drum radiators in the front ends of the tailbooms. The latter design is the layout I chose for my model, or better: where I ended up (see below).

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Valuable sources:
Walter Schick, Ingolf Meyer: Luftwaffe Secret Projects, Fighters 1939-1945, Hinckley, 2005
(this is an English translation of the original German edition, Stuttgart, 1994, but with many colored illustrations added).
 
Sundin, Claes; Bergstroem, Christer: Deutsche Jaqgdflugzeuge 1939-1945 in Farbprofilen, Bonn, 1999.
 
www.luft46.com -
 
wp.scn.ru - "Wings Palette" - a Russian website which collects plane profiles and some details about the respective machine's history.
A nice reference archive, since a lot information concerning colors can be found there, too. Handling is poor, though. But once you get it, it is a great model kit building source.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2016, 04:38:50 am »
https://www.flickr.com/photos/dizzyfugu/5074888153

"1:72 Luft '46 - "Red 3" Focke Wulf Fighter with BMW 803 engine (kitbashing/scratch-built) - firing a X-4 missile against B-24 bombers
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Nothing you see here is real, even though the conversion or the presented background story might be based historical facts. BEWARE!
How it came to be:
It has been a long time since I built a "real" airplane kit, and this one here is a one-of-a-kind. After a bleak phase with lots of reading about German WWII airplane projects I found a spark to fire up a project I kept in the back of my mind for a long time: building one of these semi-fictional WWII airplanes from scratch. These astonishing designs were on the drawing boards at their time and rarely made it beyond that. Only a few reached prototype status at the end of the war, but today these partly weird designs are the basis of today's Luft '46 model kit genre: What-if airplanes, based on sketches, construction plans and pure speculation, in the case the war would have gone on."

Above explanation means fake?
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2016, 04:46:53 am »
After all, in essence, it's a fake? ;D


Absolutly fake! It is just a what-if model!

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2016, 04:54:21 am »
I hope to the artist to stop such ambiguous thing. There is no meaning. A really mischievous act. I feel extreme anger. >:(
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2016, 07:18:12 am »
I hope to the artist to stop such ambiguous thing. There is no meaning. A really mischievous act. I feel extreme anger. >:(

If that type of thing really gets you upset, you better not visit http://www.whatifmodelers.com/, where Dizzyfugu displays his most recent creations on a fairly regular basis. I for one actually hope he'll continue doing so for quite some time to come, because I really enjoy both his creativity and his artistry. In my view there is as little or as much "meaning" in his pursuits (which after all are a hobby) as there is in any artwork or work of fiction/alternate history, but of course YMMV.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2016, 08:04:30 am »
It is one thing that artists/fanboys/whatever create as many more-or-less fictional designs as they want.
It is quite another thing that those fictions are brought here, and not in the fictional section.

The latter is simply creating opportunities for confusion and misunderstandings, ingenuous or otherwise.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2016, 09:19:51 am »
One more of the bmw-802

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #77 on: February 10, 2016, 10:27:46 am »
It is one thing that artists/fanboys/whatever create as many more-or-less fictional designs as they want.
It is quite another thing that those fictions are brought here, and not in the fictional section.

The latter is simply creating opportunities for confusion and misunderstandings, ingenuous or otherwise.

If they are posted here by others than the creators it is hardly the fault of the creators.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #78 on: February 10, 2016, 10:39:36 am »
I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. The Focke-Wulf 'Jager mit BMW 803' is real. See p55 of Luftwaffe: Secret Jets of the Third Reich. That model is just a particularly poor depiction of it. Besides the version shown in Luftwaffe, there were versions with radiators on the forward ends of the booms and on the nose. It is shown in Focke-Wulf drawings 0310 231-02A and 0310 231-04A and several that were not numbered.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #79 on: February 10, 2016, 11:47:38 am »
Dizzyfugu makes pretty cool models more-or-less inspired by actual projects, but isn't overly concerned with accuracy of depiction. He is pretty good at posting clear descriptions of what they are. He made a nice Mikoyan Project 33 by cutting up an inaccurate MiG-29 model and splicing it together with a few spare bits - it overall resembles the Project 33 but isn't right in detail.

People reposting pics they found online without sources is what causes this kind of false impression. If everyone just posted their damn sources, you could trace the picture back to the source and understand what it is and what it isn't.

Some of the people annoyed by this stuff are repeat offenders at not giving sources in their own posts.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #80 on: February 10, 2016, 01:15:33 pm »
If they are posted here by others than the creators it is hardly the fault of the creators.
Absolutely. As Paul wrote, the issue is the careless re-posting here, in the wrong section too.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #81 on: February 10, 2016, 10:18:42 pm »
Hi!
FW190TL.

http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Fw190/Fw190.htm
"In 1941/42 Focke-Wulf modified a Fw 190 by replacing it's BMW 801 piston engine with a simple centrifugal turbojet engine of there own design, this comprised of a two-stage centrifugal compressor and a single-stage turbine, the exhaust exited through three annular outlets which were in the same place for the BMW piston engine ( two outlets at the side and one under the fuselage). Due to technical problems the project was canceled."

Cockpit and fuel tank overheat, noise and vibration.? ;D
According to the picture, side in the front of a fuselage was quite burned. We can confirm exhaust nozzle area from this picture.
The compressor of this engine looks like BMW two stage mechanical supercharger.
If this project went well, Fw190 became very scary and awsome fighter same as Me262.
Maximum Speed: 830 km/h
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2016, 02:34:26 am »
Super! The project was cancelled but there was a wind-tunnel tests?

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2016, 06:37:58 am »
It is one thing that artists/fanboys/whatever create as many more-or-less fictional designs as they want.
It is quite another thing that those fictions are brought here, and not in the fictional section.

The latter is simply creating opportunities for confusion and misunderstandings, ingenuous or otherwise.

I agree, particularly in the case of imagined action scenes of Japanese designs that only existed on paper laying waste to their adversaries. As interesting as they may be, wouldn't such things be better placed in the alternative history section?


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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2016, 04:22:53 pm »
I can't find any picture of Fw190TL wind tunnel test model.
I believe that Fw190TL was a flying wind tunnel test model.  ;D
The things under the wing were RATO? RATO means low output of this engine?
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #85 on: February 12, 2016, 01:34:33 am »
I can't find any picture of Fw190TL wind tunnel test model.
I believe that Fw190TL was a flying wind tunnel test model.  ;D
The things under the wing were RATO? RATO means low output of this engine?

The tubes under the wing are 21cm Werfer-granate rocket launching tubes, mounted on an Fw 190 A-8/R6





They are not RATO units.  The photo has been retouched to remove the propeller.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #86 on: February 13, 2016, 06:33:50 am »
Are there in pics and details of his Project 33? A similar project is on my to-do list.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #87 on: February 15, 2016, 05:31:19 pm »
Hi!
FW190TL.

http://tanks45.tripod.com/Jets45/Histories/Fw190/Fw190.htm
"In 1941/42 Focke-Wulf modified a Fw 190 by replacing it's BMW 801 piston engine with a simple centrifugal turbojet engine of there own design, this comprised of a two-stage centrifugal compressor and a single-stage turbine, the exhaust exited through three annular outlets which were in the same place for the BMW piston engine ( two outlets at the side and one under the fuselage). Due to technical problems the project was canceled."

Cockpit and fuel tank overheat, noise and vibration.? ;D

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According to the picture, side in the front of a fuselage was quite burned. We can confirm exhaust nozzle area from this picture.
The compressor of this engine looks like BMW two stage mechanical supercharger.
If this project went well, Fw190 became very scary and awsome fighter same as Me262.
Maximum Speed: 830 km/h

Interesting, and seemingly simple adaption of an existing test and combat proven fighter design!
Was the concept ever tested and proven?
Would the standard Fw 190's wings have been able to facilitate 830 km/h??
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #88 on: February 22, 2016, 04:02:35 pm »
Hi, according to this website: http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm there is a "Fw-190 H-1" proposed high-altitude fighter project. Can anyone shed some light for me on it? Was it simply a placeholder designation or something planned?  ??? Also for Fw-190TL are there any dimensions for it as well?

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #89 on: February 23, 2016, 12:07:06 am »
Hi, according to this website: http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm there is a "Fw-190 H-1" proposed high-altitude fighter project. Can anyone shed some light for me on it? Was it simply a placeholder designation or something planned?  ??? Also for Fw-190TL are there any dimensions for it as well?

Nope. No such thing as the Fw 190 H-1. It wasn't a placeholder or anything planned. It's just a mistake on the part of whoever compiled that list. I have numerous original Focke-Wulf factory and design office Fw 190 type lists and the 'H-1' does not appear. The Fw 190 B and Fw 190 C certainly do. No such thing as the Fw 190TL either. I'm sure you mean the Fw 190 Strahljager, for which no dimensions are given in the original documentation. Luftwaffe: Secret Jets p55.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #90 on: February 23, 2016, 01:07:38 am »
I think they meant Ta 152 H-1.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #91 on: February 25, 2016, 09:49:51 am »
Thought these might help...
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #92 on: February 25, 2016, 02:11:23 pm »
Thanks a lot. Beautiful!! :D
How about your image for Fw Fighter Project with BMW P.8011 engine? ;D
BMW 801TJ engine single turbocharger is like this.
I imagine that bottom airintake is for intercooler, because BMW 801D ram airintake for supercharger is located behind the forced cooling fan.
Sorry for off topic.

http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/forum/borbene-letelice-combat-warplanes/bmw-801-tj-bmw-803-i-db-610-engines-flugwerft-schleissheim/
http://www.b-domke.de/AviationImages/Deutsches_Museum/6098.html

I imagine burned and color changed duct is for exhaust gas and silver duct is for engine supply air.

Anyway Fw Fighter Project with BMW P.8011 engine needs following air/gas outlet both side of the fuselage.
①   Engine cooling air outlet
②   Intercooler cooling air outlet
③   Engine exhaust gas nozzle(one nozzle) through turbocharger (if BMW P.8011 engine had twin turbocharger)
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« Reply #93 on: February 25, 2016, 09:39:09 pm »
I'll dig it out... ;D
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #94 on: May 02, 2016, 03:53:39 pm »
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Nope. No such thing as the Fw 190 H-1. It wasn't a placeholder or anything planned. It's just a mistake on the part of whoever compiled that list. I have numerous original Focke-Wulf factory and design office Fw 190 type lists and the 'H-1' does not appear. The Fw 190 B and Fw 190 C certainly do. No such thing as the Fw 190TL either. I'm sure you mean the Fw 190 Strahljager, for which no dimensions are given in the original documentation. Luftwaffe: Secret Jets p55.

Hi, was just reading through some of my books and stumbled upon this in Monogram Close Up 10 - FW 190D; "...Prof. Tank and his engineers were investigating the possibilities offered by the Fw 190 Ra-6 design study which [...] had become known as Fw-190H" (Pg 2). This makes it just a design study correct? Also is there any info on the various Fw-190 (Rechnerische Ankündigung) Ra-1 to Ra-8 (Ra-9?) design studies?

Ra-1: Standard Fw 190A wing, but with hydraulic undercarriage and Jumo 213 (V19 and V23)
Ra-4: As Ra-1 but with larger 20.3m^2 wing (Developed as Ta-153 Ra-1)
Ra-6: Fw 190H???
Ra-8: Standard Fw 190A wing, with electric undercarriage retraction, extended fuselage (V17 w/ eary Jumo 213)

However I am unsure on the other Ra developments.  ???

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #95 on: May 02, 2016, 08:37:47 pm »
Not sure about the source but FWIW ...

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Fw190-R.htm

"Fw 190 H-Reihe

Die Fw 190 H war die letzte Höhenjäger-Entwicklung der Fw 190 aus dem Jahr 1943. Intern lief die Entwicklung dieses Höhenjägers bei Focke-Wulf unter der Bezeichnung Fw 190 Ra-6. Projektiert war ein Gewicht von 4,6 Tonnen, eine Flügelfläche von 22,5 m² und eine Spannweite von 14,8 m. Der Rumpf solle ein verlängerter Rumpf der B-Reihe sein. Als Antrieb kamen der DB 603 G, der Jumo 213 E oder der DB 632 in Betracht. Errechnet wurde eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 740 km/h in 11.000 m. Außerdem sollte die Maschine eine Druckkabine erhalten. Um eine Höhenerprobung der Fw 190 mit dem DB 603 schnellstens durchzuführen, sollten drei Versuchsmaschinen umgerüstet werden. Das erste Versuchsmuster dieser Serie, die V 32, war ursprünglich für die Höhenjägererprobung mit DB 603 und dem Hirth-Abgasturbolager vorgesehen, dem sog. "Höhenjäger 2". In dieser Ausführung startete die V 32 erstmals am 11. November 1943. Ab dem 30. Dezember 1943 erhielt die Maschine mit der Kennung GH + KV eine 500 mm Rumpfverlängerung. In 6750 m Höhe erreichte die Maschine eine Geschwindigkeit von 686 km/h. Im Mai 1944 ging die Maschine dann zur Erprobung nach Rechlin. Problematisch waren bei der Maschine unerwünschte Giermomente, die durch schlechte Querruder hervorgerufen worden sind. Am 15. August 1944 startete die V 32 letztmalig in dieser Ausführung. Anschließend wurde sie zum neuen Höhenjäger Fw Ta 152 H umgebaut. Die Entwicklung wurde zu Gunsten der Parallelentwicklung Fw Ta 152 eingestellt."

So, paraphrasing ... Fw 190H (aka Fw 190 Ra-6)  was a 1943 high-altitude fighter project using the Fw 190B series' fuselage with pressurized cockpit. Powered by DB 603G, Jumo 213 E, or DB 632. Weight to be 4.6 tonnes, wing area ​​22.5 m², and wingspan 14.8 m. Maximum speed 740 km / h at 11,000 m.

The Fw 190 V32 prototype was fitted with a DB 603 and Hirth-exhaust turbocharger as the 'Höhenjäger 2' ('Altitude fighter 2') and flown for the first time on 11 Nov 1943. By 30 Dec 1943, the V32 was marked as GH+KV and had its fuselage lengthened by 500mm. At an altitude of 6,750 m, a speed of 686 km/h was reached. In May 1944, the machine then went to Rechlin for testing. Problems were encountered with undesirable yaw moments resulting from flawed aileron design. Flown for the last time on 15 Aug 1944, the V 32 was then converted into a new altitude fighter, the Ta 152H. Fw 190H/Ra-6 development was discontinued in favor of the parallel Ta 152.

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #96 on: May 02, 2016, 11:27:16 pm »
Not sure about the source but FWIW ...

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waffen/Fw190-R.htm

"Fw 190 H-Reihe

Die Fw 190 H war die letzte Höhenjäger-Entwicklung der Fw 190 aus dem Jahr 1943. Intern lief die Entwicklung dieses Höhenjägers bei Focke-Wulf unter der Bezeichnung Fw 190 Ra-6. Projektiert war ein Gewicht von 4,6 Tonnen, eine Flügelfläche von 22,5 m² und eine Spannweite von 14,8 m. Der Rumpf solle ein verlängerter Rumpf der B-Reihe sein. Als Antrieb kamen der DB 603 G, der Jumo 213 E oder der DB 632 in Betracht. Errechnet wurde eine Höchstgeschwindigkeit von 740 km/h in 11.000 m. Außerdem sollte die Maschine eine Druckkabine erhalten. Um eine Höhenerprobung der Fw 190 mit dem DB 603 schnellstens durchzuführen, sollten drei Versuchsmaschinen umgerüstet werden. Das erste Versuchsmuster dieser Serie, die V 32, war ursprünglich für die Höhenjägererprobung mit DB 603 und dem Hirth-Abgasturbolager vorgesehen, dem sog. "Höhenjäger 2". In dieser Ausführung startete die V 32 erstmals am 11. November 1943. Ab dem 30. Dezember 1943 erhielt die Maschine mit der Kennung GH + KV eine 500 mm Rumpfverlängerung. In 6750 m Höhe erreichte die Maschine eine Geschwindigkeit von 686 km/h. Im Mai 1944 ging die Maschine dann zur Erprobung nach Rechlin. Problematisch waren bei der Maschine unerwünschte Giermomente, die durch schlechte Querruder hervorgerufen worden sind. Am 15. August 1944 startete die V 32 letztmalig in dieser Ausführung. Anschließend wurde sie zum neuen Höhenjäger Fw Ta 152 H umgebaut. Die Entwicklung wurde zu Gunsten der Parallelentwicklung Fw Ta 152 eingestellt."

So, paraphrasing ... Fw 190H (aka Fw 190 Ra-6)  was a 1943 high-altitude fighter project using the Fw 190B series' fuselage with pressurized cockpit. Powered by DB 603G, Jumo 213 E, or DB 632. Weight to be 4.6 tonnes, wing area ​​22.5 m², and wingspan 14.8 m. Maximum speed 740 km / h at 11,000 m.

The Fw 190 V32 prototype was fitted with a DB 603 and Hirth-exhaust turbocharger as the 'Höhenjäger 2' ('Altitude fighter 2') and flown for the first time on 11 Nov 1943. By 30 Dec 1943, the V32 was marked as GH+KV and had its fuselage lengthened by 500mm. At an altitude of 6,750 m, a speed of 686 km/h was reached. In May 1944, the machine then went to Rechlin for testing. Problems were encountered with undesirable yaw moments resulting from flawed aileron design. Flown for the last time on 15 Aug 1944, the V 32 was then converted into a new altitude fighter, the Ta 152H. Fw 190H/Ra-6 development was discontinued in favor of the parallel Ta 152.

Thank you Apophenia, I appreciate the response and source as well :)

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #98 on: June 11, 2016, 01:39:58 pm »
Hi

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« Reply #99 on: June 11, 2016, 02:58:08 pm »
Thanks. DB609 V16 is very powerful! I can understand BMW801J layout very clearly.
http://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/m/MK%20412/mk%20412%20motorkanone%20db%20609%20db%20613.html

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #100 on: July 09, 2016, 07:05:24 am »
From Flugzeug Classic 5/2016,

here is a Ta.153 drawing.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #101 on: November 03, 2016, 04:28:16 am »
Here`s one I didn`t know about! Go to:

http://www.reflexvisier.com/rf-2b

and scroll down. Very interesting design, with an added drawing portraying what could be an otherwise unknown (to me) Fw 190 version with a steped up cockpit featuring a prone pilot.

Meanwhile, browse through Erwin`s excellent website.


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« Reply #102 on: November 03, 2016, 04:46:18 am »
Excellent and great find my dear Wurger,

and we can put it here,until we search if it was real or not ?.

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« Reply #103 on: November 03, 2016, 06:26:09 am »
Other than the pencil drawing I have no doubt it`s real. The pencil add on is arguably contemporary, but I will put my two cents that it is.

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« Reply #104 on: November 03, 2016, 11:57:55 am »
Even without the added drawing of the prone pilot and periscopic sight, that's a very interesting drawing, as it seems to show a Jumo 222 powerplant...


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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #105 on: November 03, 2016, 01:43:32 pm »
Some sort of 'Zwilling' design?

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« Reply #106 on: November 03, 2016, 03:34:49 pm »
There are at least one other (later) drawing  with the Jumo 222, no news about it. The "scoop",  IMHO, is the forward cockpit And the prone pilot.

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« Reply #107 on: November 04, 2016, 09:16:30 am »
Looking at Dan`s "Luftwaffe: Secret Jets of the Luftwaffe" I figured that almost all the 0310025 series relate to Jumo 222 engined Fw 190`s, dating as far back as October 24th 1942 and up to 2nd February 1945.

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« Reply #108 on: November 04, 2016, 03:12:42 pm »
To my shame, I was unaware of the existence of Jumo 222 powered Fw190 projects...  :-[

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #109 on: November 05, 2016, 08:33:40 am »
Additional info

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« Reply #110 on: November 05, 2016, 09:02:59 am »
Justo Miranda is back and he brings presents   ;D

nice art work
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #111 on: November 05, 2016, 10:46:00 am »
 :)

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« Reply #112 on: January 16, 2017, 07:42:38 am »
Hello, I've been a long time lurker of Secret Projects and I was hoping if anyone had any further information on the Fw-190 A-10. So far the info I've been able to glean are: the first attached image is supposedly from a Kagero drawings book and the latter is a kitbash from What-If forums from what I have found over the internet. Does anybody have info on the new wing the aircraft was to have and the the placement of the 30mm Mk103's in the wings? I post occasionally on Shipbucket and I've been working on drawing the entire Focke-Wulf 190/Ta-152 series so any thing in the ways of blueprints would be greatly appreciated. Also attached is a WIP drawing of the Fw-190 F-10 using the available info I have, if anyone can suggest changes that would be helpful as well.

Sincerely,
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Incidentally, the Fw 190 A-10 isn't quite what everyone thinks...

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #113 on: January 16, 2017, 09:30:13 am »
A-10 info

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« Reply #114 on: January 16, 2017, 12:58:41 pm »
A-10 info

The A-10 itself looks entirely unremarkable except for its Ta 152 tail fin. This (your ramjet drawing) is something that could have been added to the A-10, rather than the A-10 itself. Incidentally, look at the date even of this - April 1944. The documents I have date the A-10 itself from towards the end of 1943. Not exactly the last-gasp end-of-war project I think everyone (including me) assumed it was.
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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #115 on: October 21, 2017, 02:10:58 am »
Ta 152 C and E variant on fighters : http://fighters.forumactif.com/t61403-ta-152-c-et-e-c-est-reparti
(in french)

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« Reply #116 on: October 21, 2017, 09:53:49 pm »
Can we have some document about the variant : F-15,F16 and F-17 please?
And I want to know if we have some ta 152 E drawing please.

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« Reply #118 on: October 22, 2017, 02:44:19 pm »
Thanks a lot. Excellent original drawing. :o

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« Reply #119 on: October 22, 2017, 04:09:13 pm »
Ta 152 E info

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #120 on: October 22, 2017, 04:24:24 pm »
Fw 190 F15/F16 additional info

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« Reply #121 on: October 22, 2017, 09:33:45 pm »
Thank you!Really thank you,now I've got model to do.
For the Ta 152:
http://deutscheluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/f/FockeWulf/Ta%20152/Focke_Wulf_Ta152_Werkzeichnungen.pdf
I found a drawing about the Ta 152 C1/R14 on internet but sadly,it's photobucket now(snif).


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« Reply #123 on: October 25, 2017, 09:28:01 am »
other ta 152 with jumo 222 drawing:

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« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2017, 01:05:50 pm »
fw 190+V1:

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« Reply #125 on: October 26, 2017, 11:13:53 pm »
Can we confirm the dora with torpedo please(juste want drawing):

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« Reply #126 on: October 27, 2017, 08:27:31 am »
R4M and panzerblitz for dora and friedrich,what is Nachrüstung?

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« Reply #127 on: October 27, 2017, 08:56:52 am »
R4M and panzerblitz for dora and friedrich,what is Nachrüstung?


It means retrofit into the shown variants into the existing airframes.

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« Reply #128 on: October 27, 2017, 09:02:23 am »
thank!

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« Reply #129 on: October 28, 2017, 01:35:44 am »
fw 190 D13 jabo variant:

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« Reply #130 on: October 28, 2017, 05:26:19 am »
a fw 190 D14 mock-up or in construction:

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« Reply #132 on: October 29, 2017, 09:12:18 am »
wing variant:

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« Reply #134 on: October 30, 2017, 04:03:42 am »
another turbo variant:

Sadly,I don't understand russian langage...
https://coollib.com/b/273132/read

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« Reply #136 on: November 01, 2017, 12:06:35 am »
Thank for the trad!
Did we have any information about the variant G-7,G8/N of the Fw 190?

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« Reply #137 on: November 01, 2017, 12:21:55 am »
wing variant:

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« Reply #138 on: November 04, 2017, 01:07:28 am »
real or not:

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« Reply #139 on: November 04, 2017, 04:42:39 am »
Wow!!!! Ta-154 was a drone. :o

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« Reply #140 on: November 04, 2017, 06:27:32 am »
Hi

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« Reply #141 on: November 04, 2017, 06:33:17 am »
I see. Thanks a lot. :D

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« Reply #142 on: November 04, 2017, 06:42:32 am »
thanks!can the D15 support a "classic" D9 tail ?

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« Reply #143 on: November 04, 2017, 07:52:59 am »
D-14 only

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« Reply #144 on: November 04, 2017, 08:32:50 am »
Why not the D15?Can we have some archive document about this variant?

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« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2017, 12:01:13 pm »
what if I guess?

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« Reply #146 on: December 01, 2017, 03:22:29 pm »
Nice imagine Sgeorges.

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« Reply #147 on: December 02, 2017, 12:31:27 am »
what if I guess?


Was this a thing that exists in blueprints or is it a modelmaker's dream?

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« Reply #148 on: December 02, 2017, 12:54:52 am »
I think modelmeakers dream

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« Reply #149 on: December 02, 2017, 04:36:29 am »
Source seems to be this site from KORA models, which are producing other nice things, like
a Hanomag tractor with a German nuclear bomb ...  ::)

http://www.lfmodels.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1884
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« Reply #150 on: December 02, 2017, 07:31:28 am »
According to Heinz J Nowarra's Die Deutsche Luftrüstung 1933-1945 Book 4 of 1993 (see attached), the design is from a patent filed by Siebel in 1944. Given that most of Siebel's own papers were captured by the Soviets or destroyed, but most patent documents were captured by the Allies, it is plausible that this is in fact a genuine wartime project. Or at least a genuine idea for a project.

NB: Given the wide availability of old Fw 190s kicking around at this time, it seems highly unlikely to me that a Ta 152 H-1 would have been used for this sort of combination. But it might've been an A-8, for example.
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« Reply #151 on: December 02, 2017, 07:33:45 am »
that all we get about this project?

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« Reply #152 on: December 02, 2017, 07:51:35 am »
that all we get about this project?

Maybe you could research it and let us know what you find out. It might be possible to track down the patent, or, I was recently informed, the Soviets kept everything they captured and the Russians  still have it somewhere. You could try and get access to whatever they have on Siebel?
A third option would be to contact Nowarra's surviving relatives and attempt to find out what happened to this particular part of his collection. I believe all of Nowarra's materials were sold off after his death, so someone out there might have whatever he based the re-draw he featured in his book on. Lots of people today, I think, have old prints with Nowarra's distinctive stamp on the back, including me. Then again, all you might get even if you did track it down was another copy of the image, exactly as it already appears in his book.
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« Reply #153 on: December 02, 2017, 10:00:01 am »
Here , copies of the patent , from a French book published many (30,40 ?? )years ago .
On one corner , I can read "PA 15576" , on another "Siebel".
 I don't know more about this patent ... ...


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« Reply #154 on: December 02, 2017, 10:13:13 am »
Here , copies of the patent , from a French book published many (30,40 ?? )years ago .
On one corner , I can read "PA 15576" , on another "Siebel".
 I don't know more about this patent ... ...

Excellent! So there you go, not just a model-maker's dream.

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« Reply #155 on: December 02, 2017, 10:26:27 am »
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« Reply #156 on: December 03, 2017, 04:39:26 am »
do you have any information about the fw 190 E(reco aircraft with camera)?

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« Reply #157 on: December 03, 2017, 04:56:15 am »
I don't understand how that one is supposed to work :


The big "thing" with stub wings is supposed to float on water ? and the 190 to take-off (escape) from it via some rails ?...
How could the all thing (190 + the big stub winged thing) fly with such small wings ?...

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« Reply #158 on: December 03, 2017, 03:20:06 pm »
Entwurf I was a Mistel composite bomber, Entwurf II was a suicide fast boat

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« Reply #159 on: December 03, 2017, 03:50:48 pm »
do you have any information about the fw 190 E(reco aircraft with camera)?

Text only

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« Reply #160 on: December 04, 2017, 01:11:44 am »
Justo,

can you please state that source book on the Siebel Mistel?

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« Reply #161 on: December 04, 2017, 04:25:36 am »
Justo,

can you please state that source book on the Siebel Mistel?

Looks to be KG 200: The True Story by P W Stahl, 1981.

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« Reply #162 on: December 04, 2017, 06:01:58 am »
Thanks!

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« Reply #163 on: December 04, 2017, 02:04:57 pm »
pp. 54-55  :D

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« Reply #164 on: December 15, 2017, 10:31:36 pm »
Rustsatz project:

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« Reply #165 on: December 15, 2017, 11:36:21 pm »
????dora or 190 or fake?

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« Reply #167 on: December 21, 2017, 07:05:15 am »
Somebody has information/document/drawing about the focke wulf fw 190 D10 please?

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« Reply #168 on: December 22, 2017, 10:37:37 am »
Here

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« Reply #169 on: December 22, 2017, 11:51:38 am »
thank justo!The drawing for the D11 need be remake:

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« Reply #171 on: December 30, 2017, 01:35:45 am »
I think Fw 190 V30 GH+KT prototype had these rounded wing tips.

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« Reply #172 on: December 31, 2017, 12:07:46 am »
ta 152 and dora with sg 500:

ta 152 and dora with Rohrblock mk 108(?what?)


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« Reply #175 on: January 21, 2018, 10:32:46 pm »
The 190 V-15 was tested with the Messerschmitt P8 reversible pitch propeller.

Unfortunately this DVL report is missing the photos

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #176 on: January 25, 2018, 10:15:15 am »
Fw 190 D9 with DB 603?

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« Reply #177 on: January 25, 2018, 08:13:27 pm »
The DB 603 installed only in
-Fw 190 A-1 (V19) c/n 0042
-Fw 190 C-1 (V20) c/n 0043
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« Reply #178 on: January 26, 2018, 03:33:34 am »
On this document,you can saw that the D9 can be equip with a DB 603

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« Reply #179 on: January 28, 2018, 11:31:29 pm »
The Krebs-Gerat was intent to fire foward the aircraft at first,but it change with the new tactics( I try to understand my doc at this point):


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« Reply #180 on: January 29, 2018, 03:19:15 am »
Dated 3 April 1945,Fw 190 Ds and Ta 152s were to be equipped with R4M,Panzerblitz rockets and ETC wing racks

After 10 January , all Eastern front aircraft were to fly Jabo missions including Ta 152 Cs.
http://www.germanluftwaffe.com/archiv/Dokumente/ABC/f/Flakraketen/R4M%20Orkan/Text/Panzerplitz%20Fw%20190/Panzerblitz%20Fw%20190.pdf
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« Reply #184 on: January 29, 2018, 10:48:04 am »
Rockets additional info.

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« Reply #185 on: January 29, 2018, 11:03:33 am »
 ;) ;D

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #188 on: January 30, 2018, 09:57:27 am »
?

The flight with FW 190 that was seconded to Experimental Detachment 25 at Garz has returned. The pilots say that FW 190 with extra tanks is not suitable for the  planned purpose, because the necessary altitudes could not be reached.
Experiments at Kampfgeschwader 100 (KG 100) at Garz are progressing slowly, so the flight is not needed for the time being. KG 100 was asked to provide a new schedule for seconding the flight.
Experimental Detachment 25 requests to be asigned three Bf 109 G5 aircraft for this purpose.
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« Reply #189 on: January 30, 2018, 10:22:35 am »


What's the background for this drawing?

IIRC Panzerblitz 3 looked very different. This looks more like some of the Waffen-SS' copies of the Soviet RS-82.

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« Reply #190 on: January 30, 2018, 03:42:47 pm »
Pb3

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« Reply #191 on: January 31, 2018, 06:42:30 am »
Some devellopement variant of the dora: The D1 and the D2 who was pressurized

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« Reply #192 on: January 31, 2018, 07:36:18 am »
Pb3

Well, that confirms that the line drawing didn't show a Panzerblitz. More likely they're some RS-82 copies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RS-82_(rocket_family)

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« Reply #193 on: February 01, 2018, 03:25:43 am »
A report from the Jerry Crandall book show that the Fw 190 D9 was testing a VS 19 propeller,the Wnr and the Skz of this aircraft are : 210009,TR+SI.
And I found this ,a dorawith 2 panel for the wheel who seems to have been eliminated for the production variant:
https://www.noelshack.com/2018-05-4-1517484287-fw-190-d.png
https://fr.scribd.com/doc/204059830/Ersatzteilliste-FW-190-D-9
(see page 79)
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« Reply #194 on: February 02, 2018, 12:27:57 am »
what do you have about the "fw 190 E"?
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/variants.htm

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« Reply #195 on: February 02, 2018, 01:05:12 am »
Project only

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« Reply #196 on: February 02, 2018, 06:05:45 am »
Thank! :)

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« Reply #197 on: February 12, 2018, 05:08:04 am »
From Aero Journal 35.

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« Reply #198 on: March 05, 2018, 05:34:09 am »
something about the D15 variant,an extract from JaPo publishing:
https://www.japo.eu/preview.php?prod=2

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« Reply #200 on: March 13, 2018, 02:23:05 pm »
I have this little brochure. It is a copy of the original proposal for the RLM. The part concerning the Ta-152 with the Jumo 222 is rather short. Which information do you need?

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« Reply #201 on: March 13, 2018, 10:08:11 pm »
what kind of propeler was use by this variant?

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« Reply #202 on: March 15, 2018, 09:49:54 am »
Hi George, it was supposed to be a 4-bladed VS-19 propeller, diameter 3.60m.

Edit: source of image is https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/attachments/jumo222ta152-jpg.218967/
Vaguely remember it being on a Warthunder forum post but that has disappeared.
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« Reply #203 on: March 15, 2018, 12:25:42 pm »
what kind of propeler was use by this variant?

Imperialist is right. Although that drawing appears to be inaccurate.
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« Reply #204 on: March 15, 2018, 10:02:48 pm »
danke schon!
I ask this because I'm going to do one with my hobby boss ta 152 C.

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« Reply #205 on: March 15, 2018, 10:30:31 pm »
Is this a real document or not?


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« Reply #206 on: March 16, 2018, 01:24:56 am »
Real, but it dates from November 10, 1944, or earlier (see attached). Kurzbaubeschreibung Nr. 25 is dated December 4, 1944, and appears to represent the last word on the project.
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« Reply #207 on: March 16, 2018, 12:41:09 pm »
thank you!
PS:you want me to bought more ta 152?  ;D

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Here

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« Reply #212 on: March 17, 2018, 12:01:43 pm »
By the way,do you have some other interressing drawing related to those document?

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« Reply #213 on: March 21, 2018, 12:13:08 am »
Do you have any historical document who refer to the fw 190 D12/R14 please?

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« Reply #214 on: April 08, 2018, 07:35:02 pm »
From the April issue of Flugzeug Classic

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« Reply #215 on: April 08, 2018, 11:26:38 pm »
what kind of turbo it have?

sorry for my english,I'm french and I try to improve myself.

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« Reply #216 on: April 09, 2018, 12:13:58 pm »
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what kind of turbo it have?

HeS 8 turbojet? I'm reading it at Justo Miranda "Focke Wulf Jet Fighters" pg 16 The drawing is on page 19.

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« Reply #217 on: April 09, 2018, 12:37:26 pm »
It's not a turbojet, but rather a turbocharger for the BMW-801 Version D radial engine.
This blue print shows configuration from early August 1942. It was never tested, because it would have meant a main shift of the center of gravity and the turbocharger would have been ripped off during a crash landing.
Focke Wulf selected then the configuration with the DB 603 and the turbocharger Hirth TK-11, which was developed into the test aircraft  Fw 190 V18U1 CF+OY. It first flew on 20th December 1942.
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It's not a turbojet, but rather a turbocharger for the BMW-801 Version D radial engine

Excellent reply, many thanks fightingirish!

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« Reply #219 on: April 23, 2018, 11:38:06 pm »
I read in aero journal hors série3 that the german send the characteristic of the ta 152 to the japense,true or not?
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« Reply #220 on: April 24, 2018, 11:39:16 am »
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Focke-Wulf Ta 152 high altitude fighter
In April 1945, the Japanese purchased the specifications for the Ta 152 as a means to rapidly acquire a high-altitude fighter. However, by this time there was simply no way for the Japanese to act on the material obtained.
Source: Japanese Secret Projects: Experimental Aircraft of the IJA and IJN 1939-1945 - Edwin M. Dyer, III - page 147 -  Crecy Publishing 2009-11-05
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« Reply #221 on: April 24, 2018, 09:14:38 pm »
thanks!

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« Reply #222 on: April 25, 2018, 02:19:03 pm »
"Fw(Ta)-152:

During late 1944 and early 1945 Japanese representatives in Germany exhibited a keen interest in this aircraft , an improved version of the Fw-190. In November 1944, the Japanese in Berlin were preparing to forward material on the TA-152 to Tokyo. By January 45, the Japanese Army representatives in Berlin had acquired an outline of the construction, general plans, a list of materials used in construction, and a list of equipment to be used with the Ta-152.

The contract for purchase of manufacturing rights for this aircraft was not signed until 26 March 45, although release was granted in January. A captured German Air Ministry letter, dated 5 January 45, authorizes the fulfillment of a Japanese request for rights to copy the Ta-152 C and H. The necessary drawings were to be prepared without delay -- at least general drawings if time did not permit the preparation of full blueprints. Those drawings were to be handed over independently of the signing of the appropriate contract. The plans and blueprints were forwarded to Kiel for shipment, but did not arrive there before 15 March. Transportation to Japan, therefore, is very unlikely."

From German Technical Aid to Japan Military Intelligence Service

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Re: Focke Wulf Fw 190/Ta 152 Projects & Variants
« Reply #224 on: October 16, 2018, 03:18:56 am »
Where those wing come from?

Don't seem to be like the one on the ta 152 C: