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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2460 on: February 13, 2018, 08:05:14 am »
In addition, technical risk reduction activities will be performed
to include experimentation, integration and building demonstrative prototypes.
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2461 on: February 13, 2018, 09:30:51 am »
Thanks for sharing my tweet George,  but all that is also in my post above  ;)..
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2462 on: February 13, 2018, 03:48:57 pm »
This illustration was posted earlier, but with the stars-and-bars insignia placed on the top starboard side. Which is wrong. So I flipped it.

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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2463 on: February 15, 2018, 04:44:43 pm »
In addition, technical risk reduction activities will be performed
to include experimentation, integration and building demonstrative prototypes.


Not to be left behind, the Navy too appear to be upping their investment in the "Next Fighter" to $5 Million in FY19. :-[
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2465 on: February 16, 2018, 01:44:33 am »
It seem that the Navy don't take the FA/XX seriously  :-\

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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2466 on: February 16, 2018, 02:35:16 am »
They are putting CFTs on the Super Hornet's, maybe that is their NG fighter.
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2467 on: February 16, 2018, 03:32:55 am »
They are putting CFTs on the Super Hornet's, maybe that is their NG fighter.

That would be true to form with the USN, since the early 80s anyway. 
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2468 on: February 16, 2018, 05:00:32 am »
Well to be fair, the Navy has a few other fish to fry right now.  My supposition is they’re happy to let the Air Force do a lot of the technology development (which they are undoubtedly assisting behind the scenes) and will move forward at the turn of the decade when some of these technologies are more proven.  Not exactly “Naval PCA”, but something of a derivative. 

Not everything will be transferable.  For example, the XA100/101 engines look to be more than is needed for a shipboard fighter (perhaps the loser of that competition gets an “XA400/401” contract).
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2469 on: February 16, 2018, 05:48:02 am »
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(which they are undoubtedly assisting behind the scenes)

I don't see much evidence of that. Practically all of these bets and investments are being made by the USAF or DARPA. The engines, to advanced prototyping, and the $10 Billion spread over the FYDP on the NGAD allied efforts all comes from the AF. Over the same time-frame, the Navy is projected to spend  less than $50 Million. The USAF is spending more over the FYDP on NG Air to Air Missile research and development than the Navy is on its "Next Fighter". A decade down the road, when those Super Hornets begin to have availability issues due to age, the Navy can look back that it spent peanuts on preparing its R&D and industrial base to deliver something that can deliver a replacement in a timely manner.

UCLASS would have been a very interesting and much needed technology investment to propel the carrier air wing into the 2030s and some of the threats that are likely to exist but that morphed into a tanker and the schedule moved to the right. The one bright spot in the Navy investment is their continued investment to move the Joint AEA needs forward with the NGJ Increment-1 and 2 efforts, but there too..we should really be buying more than 160 Growlers..
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2472 on: February 16, 2018, 07:24:32 am »
Or anything at all.

The USAF program which is working, the B-21, is explicitly a 'build an airplane' program. The whole system of systems LRS approach has gone by the wayside.

Methinks the USAF should focus on building aircraft with some inherent flexilbity (i.e. big enough to not have rampant thermal issues, F-35...), and then use those airplanes for related missions. Not to think of some complicated architecture on the front end that produces nothing, expect a bunch of AoA studies.

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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2473 on: February 16, 2018, 08:51:05 am »
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The USAF program which is working, the B-21, is explicitly a 'build an airplane' program. The whole system of systems LRS approach has gone by the wayside.

 There could be a LR System tasked with ISR, and we know there is a LR strike weapon currently funded. A "System" could very well be a common thread and family of systems, networks, platforms and weapons all linked together to support a particular defined need (In this case LR Strike, while in another case could be Air Superiority). So while they may have taken a SOS approach to solve a particular challenge, individual programs came out of that analysis and were/are being funded.

Regardless of your skepticism, they won't have a platform defined until they complete the AOA and the PCA as an option is very much part of that.
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Re: USAF/US NAVY 6th Generation Fighter Programs - F/A-XX, F-X, NGAD, PCA
« Reply #2474 on: February 16, 2018, 10:54:35 am »
The problem with "system of systems" approach is you can't guarantee ALL the required pieces of the "system" will be purchased.  See LCS and the complete CF it's been with regard to all the different modules that were supposed to be purchased to allow them to perform all sorts of things.
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