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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #120 on: August 23, 2018, 02:46:53 am »
Funny how Tempest's planform reminds me of an old AVPRO concept. Give or take a few small differences.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1492.0.html

Well AVPRO was in effect a BAe (later BAE Systems) subsidiary specialising in the creation of advanced concepts, IIRC.
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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #121 on: August 23, 2018, 03:11:53 am »
Interesting carrier concept but completely impractical with that layout.  Interesting to see just what they were thinking, smoking.  The carpet perhaps.

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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #122 on: August 23, 2018, 05:30:01 am »
Funny how Tempest's planform reminds me of an old AVPRO concept. Give or take a few small differences.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1492.0.html

it is more similar to concept of Northrop-Grumman's.

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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #123 on: August 23, 2018, 06:47:47 am »
Funny how Tempest's planform reminds me of an old AVPRO concept. Give or take a few small differences.

https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1492.0.html

Well AVPRO was in effect a BAe (later BAE Systems) subsidiary specialising in the creation of advanced concepts, IIRC.

Really?  I never got that impression at all.  They were a fantasy art shop that had one semi-plausible idea (the EXINT Pod) that made it to mockup.  Their relationship to BAe seems to have been very one-sided -- Mike Ryan claiming there was a relationship and BAe saying nothing at all.

AvPro was definitely not a subsidiary of BAe to any real degree.  While they still had a web presence, they had some very dodgy-looking scheme to sell stock in the company direct to investors.  If they'd had a financial relationship with BAe, that would not have been on.

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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #124 on: August 23, 2018, 07:31:01 am »
That said, I don't think they were treated as anything more than a concept/art generating machine by the industry at the time. I don't think it is a Stavatti type situation. Whilst the detail of their designs are sometimes questionable in hindsight they did have a role to play in the 90s.

If only to bring some energy to the process.

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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #125 on: August 23, 2018, 07:35:35 am »
doesn't look like BAe subsidary at all
https://web.archive.org/web/20000529070008/http://www.avpro.co.uk:80/frameset.htm
but Ryan and Oliver input in aerospace popularization is certain 
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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #126 on: August 23, 2018, 03:01:04 pm »
Count me in too, thirded :)
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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #127 on: August 23, 2018, 08:13:06 pm »
The book Warplanes of the Future written by Ryan and Oliver, published by Motorbooks International (August 1, 2000), that features many of the artist's impressions of AvPro concepts.
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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #128 on: August 24, 2018, 01:34:08 am »
The book Warplanes of the Future written by Ryan and Oliver, published by Motorbooks International (August 1, 2000), that features many of the artist's impressions of AvPro concepts.
Was even translated to Russian.
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Re: AvPro Projects
« Reply #129 on: November 10, 2018, 06:54:25 am »
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