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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2008, 01:18:34 pm »
According to the book "Soviet SST: The Techno-Politics of the Tu-144" by Howard Moon (Amazon.com link, it's a really good book I highly recommend it), such an arrangement with a B-58 and a "people pod" was considered for President Kennedy but dropped as it was feared the safety record of the B-58 was unsatisfactory (though I'm not aware of any hull losses off the top of my head).
It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #16 on: August 04, 2009, 12:35:18 pm »
According to the book "Soviet SST: The Techno-Politics of the Tu-144" by Howard Moon (Amazon.com link, it's a really good book I highly recommend it), such an arrangement with a B-58 and a "people pod" was considered for President Kennedy but dropped as it was feared the safety record of the B-58 was unsatisfactory (though I'm not aware of any hull losses off the top of my head).

ISTR hearing that the B-58 had a fragile nose gear strut that was prone to collapse unless you set her down just right. The passenger pod still seems like a cool use for the bird though!
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2009, 01:05:01 pm »
Hailing all the way from formerly East Germany....the Baade-152!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baade_B-152
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2009, 07:56:02 pm »
<sigh> Oh, for the Southwest Airlines version of the SR-71  :D

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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2009, 01:24:50 pm »
you joke? :o
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2009, 03:09:09 pm »
According to the book "Soviet SST: The Techno-Politics of the Tu-144" by Howard Moon (Amazon.com link, it's a really good book I highly recommend it), such an arrangement with a B-58 and a "people pod" was considered for President Kennedy but dropped as it was feared the safety record of the B-58 was unsatisfactory (though I'm not aware of any hull losses off the top of my head).

Sometime in the early/mid 90s AvWeek had a short piece about a Russian "people pod" that could be carried on bombers. It was (as I recall) a cylinder about 20 feet long, carrying 6-8 people side by side in Soyuz-derived seats. The idea here was that small rescue teams could be dropped into remote disaster areas quickly. The AvWeek piece showed the pod, it was not clear if it was a mockup or a flight vehicle. I have never been able to find anything else in the open literature on this.

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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2009, 04:22:32 pm »
Avro Lancastrian (from Avro Lancaster)

Vickers Swallow (might have become TSR-2, civilian SST was also proposed by Barnes Wallis)
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2009, 01:54:39 am »
There was an SST derivative/relation of the XB-70 studied at one point.

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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2009, 10:31:29 am »
Airliner versions of V-Bombers :-

Avro 722 Atlantic,

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,482.0/highlight,avro%20atlantic.html

Putnam's 'Avro', page 475, 'Stuck on the Drawing Board', page 13.

Vickers VC5 and VC7,

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1067.0/highlight,v%201000.html

Putnam's 'Vickers', pp.565-571, and 574, 'Stuck on the Drawing Board', pp.38-42, and 245.

Handley-Page HP.97,
Putnam's 'Handley-Page', pp.498-499, 'Stuck on the Drawing Board', pp 47-49.

HandleyPage HP.111,
Putnam's 'Handley-Page', pp.527-528, 'Stuck on the Drawing Board', page 50.

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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2009, 09:56:09 am »
About Baade 152 / VEB-152. Though it was derived from Alexeev-Baade "150" bomber, it couldn't be considered as a version or a modification of "150". Only principal aerodynamic scheme and basic principles of design were inherited, but any "150" aggregate or assembly unit wasn't taken directly. The "152" was considerably larger (especially its fuselage - 31.3 m instead of 26.7 m in length, 3.3 m instead of 2.6 m in diameter), heavier, and it had 4 engines while the "150" had only 2. Also it has classic-mounted horisontal tail, instead of T-tail of the "150".

About Tupolev: Almost all his bombers had civil derivatives, and it was beginned not in middle 1950s, but in late 1920s. The first Tupolev airliner, 9-seat trimotor ANT-9 from 1929, was derived from R-6 (ANT-7) twin-engine recon/bomber aircraft: the wing and tail unit were the same, combined with new fuselage. Also engines were different: while R-6 had two inline 630-hp M-17s (Soviet license-built BMW-VIs), the ANT-9 had three radial engines: 3x230-hp Gnome-Rhone Titan on a prototype, 3x300-hp Bessonov M-26 on serial aircrafts. But the M-26 engine was unsuccesssful, and in 1931 a version called PS-9 was designed; it had two M-17s and the powerplant was completely taken from the R-6!

The 32-seat ANT-14 Pravda from 1931 was derived from the famous TB-3, with the same wings and many other aggregates. Another Tupolev bomber legend of 1930s, the SB (ANT-40), also had a civil "brother" - it was 10-seat ANT-35 (PS-35), the first Soviet twin-engine high-speed airliner. The passenger version of TB-7 (ANT-42, later renamed into Pe-8) was also projected, but left unbuilt. And the civil "brother" of Tu-4 was Tu-70 prototype from 1946.
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2009, 10:09:55 am »
In 1954-55, the Myasischev OKB designed M-29 - an airliner version of well-known M-4 Bison strategic bomber:
http://avicopress.ru/plane.php?id=169
The M-29 was designed also in military transport version, but both were unbuilt.
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2009, 11:47:43 am »
As built and unbuilt aircrat are already mixed up in this thread, we shouldn't
forget the Tu-104 as the civil version of the Tu-16 Badger.
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2009, 12:26:09 pm »
Yes, of course. The Tu-104 is based on Tu-16, while the Tu-114 is a Tu-95 version.
I didn't mention this because it is common known (I think).
Also, Archipeppe mentioned this in the beginning of this theme:

Also Russians did a lot of developments of their bomber into civil airliners, starting by Tupolev Tu 16 and Tu 20, in mid '50s.

Here is a photo of Tu-114 in Monino Air Museum. The photo is from http://www.airliners.net/photo/Tupolev-Tu-114/1316972/L/
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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #28 on: August 08, 2009, 01:57:20 pm »
A detail that has intrigued me for years, why did the T104 have a "bomb aimers" position?

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Re: Civilian versions of bomber aircraft
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2009, 03:10:16 pm »
Yes, of course. The Tu-104 is based on Tu-16, while the Tu-114 is a Tu-95 version.
I didn't mention this because it is common known (I think).

Its the two Tu-116 few people have heard of.