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Offline kcran567

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New experimental Chinese submarine
« on: November 01, 2018, 02:32:21 pm »
Estimated at 50m long by 5m, low profile with no top mast.

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2018, 04:46:45 pm »
unmanned?

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2018, 05:10:07 pm »
Hopefully no gigaton warhead up front.
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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 08:24:15 pm »
unmanned?

Probably.  Counterpart to the US Navy's Large Scale Vehicles (LSVs) Kokanee and Cutthroat.

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 09:03:11 pm »
but bigger it seems.

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2018, 12:00:46 am »
Chinese LSV but could also function like status-6/Poseidon?

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2018, 12:17:23 am »
My thoughts are that its a crewed SS, just with minimized sail.
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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2018, 02:29:55 am »
I wonder if its a covert ops sub?
Judging by the images on Covert Shore's excellent site, with a smaller lower rudder its possible its meant to sit on the bottom with diver locks, USV hangars etc. on the topside? The low sail could also be an attempt to lower the silhouette/RCS when on the surface. There doesn't seem to be any bow tubes for torpedo armament and its unlikely to be a high-speed prototype.

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2019, 07:26:16 am »
New video, confirms tiny sail is 'final'. One possibility is that it's all-electric, thus minimizing snort etc?

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2019, 04:03:16 am »
Would that be short range return to parent vessel, fuels cell or generating engine?

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2019, 11:25:51 am »
Ask a stupid question time. Would it be a Ballistic Missile Submarine or an Attack Submarine?   :-\

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2019, 12:47:03 pm »
Ask a stupid question time. Would it be a Ballistic Missile Submarine or an Attack Submarine?   :-\

Scale makes it far too small to be a Boomer, and no sign no large topside hatches anyway.

I stand by my suggestion that it's a large-scale test vessel, not on operational warship design.

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2019, 01:59:11 pm »
Yes I think an experimental submarine is most likely.

It's screw and control surfaces suggest typical conventional submarine performance envelope, maybe a bit quicker because of the sleek bow and tiny 'bump' sail. But would expect a pumpjet if speed really was the objective, unless China cannot build those yet(?). Also note that the lower rudder appears short enough to allow it to bottom-out on the sea floor, hmmm...

<edit: Hood already noted the lower rudder, good stuff! yes. However cannot see other obvious hints of special forces mission except size and seemingly modest or non-existent sonar/torpedoes which point to that type of mission. >

Possibly it is an export model, that much has been speculated by Chinese observers, but seems a bold design. Pakistan might be the customers if export (cannot think of any other likely country), but I don't think it is.


 
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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2019, 12:12:07 am »
Sub-scale prototype for an arsenal ship?

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Re: New experimental Chinese submarine
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2019, 01:05:17 am »
Is there a hatch for people?

It's a bit big for a USV, though if you wanted a very long range this is the sort of size that might deliver that.