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Offline TomS

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2018, 10:39:04 am »
So VP stands for 'Patrol Squadron'.  I did not know that.  Thank you for the enlightenment!

No problem.  To add to your lexicon, here is a list of all the US Navy and Marine Corps squadron types:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Navy_aircraft_squadrons


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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2018, 04:59:08 pm »
Wow – more useful information – thank you TomS !  Attached is a bottom view of the airplane, showing the hover-cushion and torpedo bays.  I wonder if the missiles are supposed be Harpoons or just some notional equivalent.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2018, 05:14:53 pm »
I wonder if the missiles are supposed be Harpoons or just some notional equivalent.

They look a lot like the Japanese ASM-1.
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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2018, 08:08:23 pm »
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I wonder if the missiles are supposed be Harpoons or just some notional equivalent.

I'd suggest they look like AS.34 Kormoran


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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2018, 01:54:45 am »
This is a wonderful discovery.
I agree the missiles look like Type 80 ASM-1. It became operational in 1980 so supports the dating of this project.
I presume this was meant as a PS-1 replacement and that Grumman thought it might suit a P-3 replacement, pre-empting the P-7 effort of the mid-80s.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2018, 05:52:12 am »
Rockwell AGM-53 Condor. The program was still going at the time.

PS  Condor always looked suspiciously like the Rafael Popeye.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2018, 09:03:40 am »
Rockwell AGM-53 Condor. The program was still going at the time.

PS  Condor always looked suspiciously like the Rafael Popeye.

That makes sense.  The seaplane model is a bit simplified but it has the tailcone that you don't see on ASM-1, and a USN missile makes more sense on the model with USN markings.

I wouldn't be surprised if Popeye had some connection to Condor.  It's supposed to get a derivative of the Pyramid glide bomb, which always seemed to me to be related to Walleye.  And Walleye definitely had Condor connections.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2018, 09:19:51 am »
This aircraft completely lacks landing gear. It's common to the flying boats - although, I wonder how it could be stored on airfield, with air-cushion system unpowered? Of course, ACLS could remain pressurized ... but could it remain stable?
For example, for aircraft maintenance, refuelling, rearming?

This nice project have been full of questions for me 8-)
And seems a last Grumman attempt to design of sea-based aircraft - very advance, and too challenging.


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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #24 on: August 11, 2018, 10:34:14 am »
Probably uses a cradle for beaching gear like many non-amphibians.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #25 on: August 11, 2018, 12:11:03 pm »
Here is a report on the Bell ACLS as fitted and used on a Lake Amphibian.  It might have some of the information you are looking for. 

A PDF "TESTS OF THE BELL AEROSPACE LA-4 ACLS FITTED WITH SUCTION BRAKING AND PREDICTIONS FOR OTHER AIRCRAFT" is available here:  http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a023850.pdf

The report includes information on ACLS use with the C-130, Jindivik drone, and XC-8A DHC Buffalo.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2018, 12:56:51 pm »
A stunner - thanks!  Mark

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #27 on: August 14, 2018, 06:46:30 pm »
Nice looking plane. Also, the main reason I love this site, all these cool designs I never knew existed. Thanks for sharing C5.

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2018, 08:06:32 pm »
So VP stands for 'Patrol Squadron'.  I did not know that.  Thank you for the enlightenment!

No problem.  To add to your lexicon, here is a list of all the US Navy and Marine Corps squadron types:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Navy_aircraft_squadrons

Actually, VP stands for Heavier than air (V) and Patrol (P).

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Re: Grumman / Shin Meiwa ASR-544-4
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2018, 10:03:21 pm »
Well, every day is a school day. That is most interesting. Always wondered why it was 'V' but never pursued it. Thanks for enlightening me Famvburg.

heaVEE-er I suppose?

Chris
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