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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #180 on: August 19, 2018, 07:07:26 am »
That certainly adds some context.

The mock-up we have been shown is perhaps the design which is most eye-catching and yet balances impact with lower risk (I can't imagine what the manned Taranis would have done to the "internet").

The 3rd design with the big wing, puts me in mind of this big wing F35 study:



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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #181 on: August 19, 2018, 07:52:21 am »
That certainly adds some context.

The mock-up we have been shown is perhaps the design which is most eye-catching and yet balances impact with lower risk (I can't imagine what the manned Taranis would have done to the "internet").

The 3rd design with the big wing, puts me in mind of this big wing F35 study:

Nice find mrmalaya, It makes me wonder why Lockheed never went with a big delta wing for the F-35 in the first place, it would have helped with the range issue.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #182 on: August 19, 2018, 09:02:10 am »
Nice find mrmalaya, It makes me wonder why Lockheed never went with a big delta wing for the F-35 in the first place, it would have helped with the range issue.

Big wing equals lots of mass, which is bad for STOVL.

Interesting range of shapes in that AFM picture.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #183 on: August 19, 2018, 12:54:06 pm »
the manned Taranis


This was described by Michael Christie (BAE Systems Strategy Director for Air) as a single-engined lightweight fighter optimised to operate in the air policing role in lower-threat environments.


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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #184 on: August 20, 2018, 12:21:11 am »
Jackonicko- thanks for the added detail. So did they conclude the Taranis type  design would be best suited for air policing and does that mean it would be capable of flying fast enough to intercept other aircraft (with or without a pilot on board)?

Certainly a project that left plenty of questions in its wake.
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #185 on: August 20, 2018, 03:48:17 am »
I think the similarity to Taranis in planform was largely coincidental. It seemed to incorporate a single vertical tail and would, I'm sure, have an afterburning engine, so I suspect it would be both fast and agile. Its small size would, however, mean limited endurance, and possibly limited combat persistance.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #186 on: August 20, 2018, 04:12:21 am »
Quite the range of concepts. A bit like the pre-ATF studies that ranged from 12,000 lb to ~100,000 lb. Presumably a consideration of balancing mass and platform capability, with a super-LO concept for good measure.

The little one on the left looks like a neo-Gnat for air policing and light attack - think of an O/A-X that's actually useful for something else.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #187 on: August 22, 2018, 09:54:19 pm »
Funny how Tempest's planform reminds me of an old AVPRO concept. Give or take a few small differences.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #188 on: August 23, 2018, 02:45:29 am »
Good memory!

I still can't find the image I was thinking Tempest reminded me of, when this all kicked off. It was definitely a big fast US concept rather than something from AVPRO or BAE.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #190 on: August 25, 2018, 07:22:42 am »
Good starting point for sizing


Thats around BAE Chalet area at RAF Fairford for  RIAT 2018 weekend before Farnborough not Cosford. Recognise Fairford's control tower in the background and the building next to it. Ive been attending the show for the last 21 years..

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #191 on: August 25, 2018, 01:44:28 pm »
RavenOne, bunch of thanks for clarification.
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #192 on: August 25, 2018, 02:01:54 pm »
I think the confusion arose because Cosford personnel erected it, moved it and possibly guarded it at Fairford

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #193 on: August 25, 2018, 03:25:15 pm »
I think the confusion arose because Cosford personnel erected it, moved it and possibly guarded it at Fairford

Huh ? They’re RAF Personnel how can you tell what unit or basing ? They be RAFP - Provost or RAF Regiment so can be from any unit in the UK. They be augmented with help from MoD police
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #194 on: August 25, 2018, 03:43:01 pm »
how can you tell what unit or basing ?
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