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Offline red admiral

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2018, 07:15:56 am »
I can't help but feel I have seen this design before though. Not recently, but before. Can anyone help?

Sort of like a stealthier and uglier version of Rayner's Rockwell ATF design?

Or some FB-22 iterations
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2018, 07:30:02 am »
in the figure of explanation for “flexible payload configuration”

Is that four ucavs in weapon bay of tempest? it seems like that...

so tempest could be carrier of ucav? hu?

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2018, 07:34:34 am »
I can't help but feel I have seen this design before though. Not recently, but before. Can anyone help?

Sort of like a stealthier and uglier version of Rayner's Rockwell ATF design?

Or some FB-22 iterations

I see F-22/F-35 forebody, X-32 delta from the wingroots back, with the tailpipe section from an old F7U Cutlass. It's like a weird kitbash.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2018, 07:42:26 am »
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I'm at a bit of a loss how a single (sort of) airframe will be a good choice for both a manned and unmanned aircraft.

The difference in weight and free space in the unmanned version would allow a smaller/ more agile/whatever aircraft.

It would seem to be better to design and build two closely related aircraft, using the same engines, sensors, etc....   Yes, more expensive, but more cost effective when bought for service.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #19 on: July 16, 2018, 07:56:16 am »
There are definitely large pods which appear to be designed to bolt on under or on the side of the aircraft, and that is definitely a weapons bay full of UCAVs- which might answer some questions.

As to which other design I am channelling, it's mainly when I see the graphic of the aircraft from above, but the other design was black. I'm definitely thinking American and not a fighter, but no matter.
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #20 on: July 16, 2018, 08:06:20 am »
This design looks more like a 5.5 generation aircraft than a true 6 generation.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #21 on: July 16, 2018, 08:35:07 am »
Rolls engine
Well-well-well, what we have here under number 1? Is that radar blocker?

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #22 on: July 16, 2018, 08:36:42 am »
There are definitely large pods which appear to be designed to bolt on under or on the side of the aircraft, and that is definitely a weapons bay full of UCAVs- which might answer some questions.

As to which other design I am channelling, it's mainly when I see the graphic of the aircraft from above, but the other design was black. I'm definitely thinking American and not a fighter, but no matter.

These?
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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2018, 08:37:00 am »
This design looks more like a 5.5 generation aircraft than a true 6 generation.

Difficult to define either of those. What is 6th generation? 5th gen but tailless and with a laser?

What's needed is something sufficiently ahead of the threat at an affordable cost

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #24 on: July 16, 2018, 08:44:59 am »
This design looks more like a 5.5 generation aircraft than a true 6 generation.
Is it even 5+? What makes it that way? We don't know anything about it's LO chars, about its weaponry, its sensors, its software fusion...

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #25 on: July 16, 2018, 08:50:06 am »
I think that as a design it is back to the CAD computers, a total redesign is needed before the RAF will accept this fighter. 

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #26 on: July 16, 2018, 09:26:20 am »
I don't mean to be a downer but......no bucks, no Buck Rodgers. I'm not sure where the cash for this is supposed to come from.
2 Billion won't come close to cutting it.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #28 on: July 16, 2018, 09:59:11 am »
This appears to be more an attempt to remain credible and sustain some design capacity until the eventual international partnering to actually build something somewhat or completely different.

As mentioned above by other contributors not clear who’s going to paying for this to be much more than an interesting design exercise and a brief entry in a future BSP book.

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Re: Tempest - UK Future fighter programme
« Reply #29 on: July 16, 2018, 10:24:55 am »
This design looks more like a 5.5 generation aircraft than a true 6 generation.
Is it even 5+? What makes it that way? We don't know anything about it's LO chars, about its weaponry, its sensors, its software fusion...

I tend to think of sixth generation fighter designs as being tailess.