Airliners And F-15s Involved In Bizarre Encounter With Mystery Aircraft Over Ore

Flyaway

ACCESS: USAP
Senior Member
Joined
21 January 2015
Messages
10,603
Reaction score
12,149
An odd story of which it is hard to know what to make of it.

The FAA, the USAF, and air traffic control recordings all confirm the bizarre event did indeed occur last October.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16079/airliners-and-f-15s-involved-in-bizzare-encounter-with-mystery-aircraft-over-oregon
 
Although very unusual...it is not that bizarre. ATC had a primary target on their radar...suggesting that its not a stealth aircraft and it was white...not the preferable choice of camouflage for a stealth jet as it was seen 10-20 miles away. The airliners did not pick the target up through TCAS, as TCAS uses transponder interrogations in order to see them. ATC already reported that their was no transponder code or transmission. Therefore, the aircraft had the transponder off (mistake by pilot) or it failed in flight. Its altitude and flight performance suggests a conventional jet aircraft.

My thought, and completely unsubstantiated, is that it was some kind of ferry flight involving an aircraft headed to maintenance or a flight test of the same. However, they should have been on a flight plan at that altitude and talking to someone.

Another thought is that it was a military surveillance aircraft on a training mission using silent communications procedures and the military planners on the ground failed to forward the aircrafts flight plan into the NAS. Either way there are many possibilities other than a UFO or highly classified aircraft terrorizing airliners and the ATC controllers.
 
Dynoman said:
Although very unusual...it is not that bizarre. ATC had a primary target on their radar...suggesting that its not a stealth aircraft and it was white...not the preferable choice of camouflage for a stealth jet as it was seen 10-20 miles away. The airliners did not pick the target up through TCAS, as TCAS uses transponder interrogations in order to see them. ATC already reported that their was no transponder code or transmission. Therefore, the aircraft had the transponder off (mistake by pilot) or it failed in flight. Its altitude and flight performance suggests a conventional jet aircraft.

My thought, and completely unsubstantiated, is that it was some kind of ferry flight involving an aircraft headed to maintenance or a flight test of the same. However, they should have been on a flight plan at that altitude and talking to someone.

Another thought is that it was a military surveillance aircraft on a training mission using silent communications procedures and the military planners on the ground failed to forward the aircrafts flight plan into the NAS. Either way there are many possibilities other than a UFO or highly classified aircraft terrorizing airliners and the ATC controllers.

It sounds like a situation that could have easily escalated what with F-15s being scrambled. So somebody badly dropped the ball on this one.
 
Dynoman said:
Although very unusual...it is not that bizarre. ATC had a primary target on their radar...suggesting that its not a stealth aircraft and it was white...not the preferable choice of camouflage for a stealth jet as it was seen 10-20 miles away. The airliners did not pick the target up through TCAS, as TCAS uses transponder interrogations in order to see them. ATC already reported that their was no transponder code or transmission. Therefore, the aircraft had the transponder off (mistake by pilot) or it failed in flight. Its altitude and flight performance suggests a conventional jet aircraft.

My thought, and completely unsubstantiated, is that it was some kind of ferry flight involving an aircraft headed to maintenance or a flight test of the same. However, they should have been on a flight plan at that altitude and talking to someone.

Another thought is that it was a military surveillance aircraft on a training mission using silent communications procedures and the military planners on the ground failed to forward the aircrafts flight plan into the NAS. Either way there are many possibilities other than a UFO or highly classified aircraft terrorizing airliners and the ATC controllers.
The F-15 itself has a pretty good radar, why did the F-15 not track the object/ aircraft and do a visual confirmation or at least attempt. If a non transmitting aircraft can penetrate through normal airspace so easily it doesn't bode too we'll as far as our safety and ability to control the airspace. Hope North Korea, Iran heck even China doesn't already know this. Can even save money on paint and go with white.
 
kcran567 said:
Dynoman said:
Although very unusual...it is not that bizarre. ATC had a primary target on their radar...suggesting that its not a stealth aircraft and it was white...not the preferable choice of camouflage for a stealth jet as it was seen 10-20 miles away. The airliners did not pick the target up through TCAS, as TCAS uses transponder interrogations in order to see them. ATC already reported that their was no transponder code or transmission. Therefore, the aircraft had the transponder off (mistake by pilot) or it failed in flight. Its altitude and flight performance suggests a conventional jet aircraft.

My thought, and completely unsubstantiated, is that it was some kind of ferry flight involving an aircraft headed to maintenance or a flight test of the same. However, they should have been on a flight plan at that altitude and talking to someone.

Another thought is that it was a military surveillance aircraft on a training mission using silent communications procedures and the military planners on the ground failed to forward the aircrafts flight plan into the NAS. Either way there are many possibilities other than a UFO or highly classified aircraft terrorizing airliners and the ATC controllers.
The F-15 itself has a pretty good radar, why did the F-15 not track the object/ aircraft and do a visual confirmation or at least attempt. If a non transmitting aircraft can penetrate through normal airspace so easily it doesn't bode too we'll as far as our safety and ability to control the airspace. Hope North Korea, Iran heck even China doesn't already know this. Can even save money on paint and go with white.

Maybe mistakenly I got the impression from the conversations that the airframe itself was perceived to be ‘inherently’ stealthy.
 
In regards to the F-15 unable to track the target:

"If the ‘aircraft’ continued on its presumed heading/course altitude, the F15s were sent the wrong way. The last known position was around the EUG area heading North around 750kts and the fighters went South when they launched ~25-30 min after the first report in the Shasta area..."

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/16079/airliners-and-f-15s-involved-in-bizzare-encounter-with-mystery-aircraft-over-oregon
 
Speculating, perhaps a Drug Cartel "Lear jet" painted with a homemade radar absorbent paint? Would have been better to avoid nightime visual cues by painting it black with some type of carbon paint?

The Germans in WW2 had a rudimentary RAM paint using burnt wood chips or burnt charcoal didn't they?

Why would they still paint the unknown aircraft white?
 
Radar coverage in the area that the target was see is a little sporadic. The Joint Surveillance System radar for air defense is shown in red. My question is where did the target go. Visual sightings were broken after the airliners, on their individual tracks, continued to their destinations. It seems like the primary radar target should have been picked up by US interior radars or by other JSS radars and the vehicle tracked and intercepted.
 

Attachments

  • RADAR_L.jpg
    RADAR_L.jpg
    165.3 KB · Views: 410
kcran567 said:
Speculating, perhaps a Drug Cartel "Lear jet" painted with a homemade radar absorbent paint? Would have been better to avoid nightime visual cues by painting it black with some type of carbon paint?

The Germans in WW2 had a rudimentary RAM paint using burnt wood chips or burnt charcoal didn't they?

Why would they still paint the unknown aircraft white?

Now that would be a real story

Pacific Northwest Drug Cartel develops "Magical" Radar Absorbing Paint, accepts buyout offer from Lockheed Martin
When asked, a drug cartel spokesman said "The first taste was free"
Lockheed, initially refusing to comment due to ongoing litigation involving the F-22 bomber, later stated in a press release "We haven't had much luck with coatings in the last few years, this just may be the breakthrough we need!"
 
Dynoman said:
Radar coverage in the area that the target was see is a little sporadic. The Joint Surveillance System radar for air defense is shown in red. My question is where did the target go. Visual sightings were broken after the airliners, on their individual tracks, continued to their destinations. It seems like the primary radar target should have been picked up by US interior radars or by other JSS radars and the vehicle tracked and intercepted.

This reminds me of a story recounted in a Carl Sagan book* about UFO sightings in the Gulf of Mexico area. Turns out that the UFO were USAF planes testing the parameters of the poor ADR coverage that area had at the time. Perhaps a similar exercise is being undertaken?

* Maybe "The Demon-haunted World"
 
Mt Shasta? Cascades? White aircraft? You don't think they're back after 70 years?

Chris
 
What is for certain is that if this was a civilian aircraft, the pilot/owner is in a world of legal hurt if they are found out. Also for certain is that there are no white stealth secret airplanes. White and black are highly visible in a wide range of atmospheric conditions, so you can rule out a secret stealth airplane painted white. We all know the story of how the F-117 came to be painted black... the official story. Unofficially, the real reason it was painted black so that if it was ever spotted and photographed that the all flat black color would obscure the details of any pictures taken at a distance, still effectively hiding the important details of the AC.

You can rule out a secret white stealth AC.

Very odd that with the radar coverage in PNW region and with F-15s own very good radar, the aircraft couldn't be found.

Seems to have all the boxes checked to be a UFO.

This picture demonstrates that the all flat black paint scheme hides all the details of AC in comparison to the other AC in the picture. White would show all the details very well.

(sorry for the size as I don't know how to scale it down)

F-22%2BF-117%2BF-4%2BF-15.jpg
 
There is a follow up that has tape recordings and radar data from all involved....

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18473/faa-recordings-deepen-mystery-surrounding-ufo-over-oregon-that-sent-f-15s-scrambling
 
amazing that there are so many Tu-160 mentions , but then ...
 
sublight is back said:
There is a follow up that has tape recordings and radar data from all involved....

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/18473/faa-recordings-deepen-mystery-surrounding-ufo-over-oregon-that-sent-f-15s-scrambling

Guess you didn’t look up the thread did, post #2.
 

Similar threads

Back
Top Bottom