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French VTOL 1909-1999
18 (28.6%)
French spaceplanes : Transporteur Aérospatial to Hermès
10 (15.9%)
French secret projects:  fighters, bombers and other warplanes 1935-1942
35 (55.6%)
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French hovercraft projects : Ader to SEDAM, Bertin etc...
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Offline JC Carbonel

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French Secret Projects 3
« on: October 12, 2017, 01:36:58 pm »
The "1935-42" option is still the more difficult to write as a lot of material is missing or only available through previously-published sources (And the more I write, the more I prefer my mistakes to be mine rather than copied on Cuny and others)

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2017, 02:54:38 pm »
I'm very interested in French spaceplanes : Transporteur Aérospatial to Hermès
also if include some french design for un/manned space capsule.
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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2017, 03:00:45 pm »
Dear JCC,

I prefer to suggest that; French Secret Aircraft Projects ; 1930-1942,and I am ready
to share with you the Info and also help in the writing itself.

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2017, 04:54:56 pm »
Hi,


I voted French secret projects:  fighters, bombers and other warplanes 1935-1942 :)

I must admit that the idea of Hesham (1930-42) would be even better ;D (but is it feasabile ?)


French spaceplanes : Transporteur Aérospatial to Hermès, would be very interesting too.



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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2017, 08:48:52 pm »
I'm most interested in the early stuff (before WWII - including early material - note that I haven't even found a good English history of French aircraft development/use in WWI).

After that, I'd be most interested in STOLL or VTOL.

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2017, 04:24:09 am »
Dear JCC!

I'm interested in pre-war combat aircraft. Such book on English could demonstrate the whole picture of French aircraft industry activity during the very complex period: rapid advances in aircraft design and, in the same time, upcoming WW2.

Story of French ADAVs ;), covering the conception and design from the eve of 20th century are also welcome. There were a lot of interesting projects, as well as prototypes. One thing, that prevents me to place this book on the first place: there were no series-built French VTOLs. So all this activity don't lead to any useful - unlike, for example, British efforts, that leads to Harrier.

Wish you to write the book, that you want to write most!


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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2017, 05:59:28 am »
I must admit that the idea of Hesham (1930-42) would be even better ;D (but is it feasabile ?)

My dear Deltafan,

the period from 1930 to 1942 is more interested,and I have the materials for this,and I can
imagine the book divide into three sections,as following :-

- Section one ; gained of 1920s
- Section two (Military Aircraft); Chapter 1 : Fighters
                                               Chapter 2 : Bombers
                                               Chapter 3 : Recce & Observation
                                               Chapter 4 : Seaplanes
                                               Chapter 5 : Flying Boats
                                               Chapter 6 : Experimental & Research
                                               Chapter 7 : Helicopters & Autogiros
- Section three (Civil Aircraft)     Chapter 1 : Light and Trainer Aircraft
                                               Chapter 2 : Transport and Airliner
                                               Chapter 3 : Seaplanes & Flying Boats
                                               Chapter 4 : Record Breaker,Stratosphere & Research Aircraft
                                               Chapter 5 : Helicopters & Autogiros
                                               Chapter 6 : Gliders & Sailplanes

And I expect to make this book about 350 pages.
« Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 09:03:12 am by hesham »

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2017, 08:02:47 am »
As far as VTOL is concerned, in the meantime is this, provided that one can read French:

https://www.amazon.com/Prototypes-Dassault-Decollage-Vertical-Francaise/dp/2352504287/

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2017, 08:37:08 am »
Personally, I would love to see a complete history of French VTOL, built and unbuilt, all in one volume.
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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2017, 11:37:22 am »
I must admit that the idea of Hesham (1930-42) would be even better ;D (but is it feasabile ?)

My dear Deltafan,

the period from 1930 to 1942 is more interested,and I have the materials for this,and I can
imagine the book divide into three sections,as following :-

- Section one ; gained of 1920s
- Section two (Military Aircraft); Chapter 1 : Fighters
                                               Chapter 2 : Bombers
                                               Chapter 3 : Recce & Observation
                                               Chapter 4 : Seaplanes
                                               Chapter 5 : Flying Boats
                                               Chapter 6 : Experimental & Research
                                               Chapter 7 : Helicopters & Autogiros
- Section three (Civil Aircraft)     Chapter 1 : Light and Trainer Aircraft
                                               Chapter 2 : Transport and Airliner
                                               Chapter 3 : Seaplanes & Flying Boats
                                               Chapter 4 : Record Breaker,Stratosphere & Research Aircraft
                                               Chapter 5 : Helicopters & Autogiros
                                               Chapter 6 : Gliders & Sailplanes

And I expect to make this book about 350 pages.

I am convinced that it would be a very, very interesting book (I'll buy it. It's 200% sure). But I am not the one to convince... (maybe more M. Carbonel and/or the Crecy staff...)
« Last Edit: October 13, 2017, 11:45:46 am by Deltafan »

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2017, 01:00:48 pm »
Hesham you idea is good, but i'm afraid that book is limited to 264-282 pages by publisher
better the chapters Helicopters & Autogiros move into French VTOL book

JC Carbonel, what about this sequence of publications ?

French Secret Projects 3: Fighters, Bombers and other planes 1935-1942
French Secret Projects 4: French VTOL 1909-1999
French Secret Projects 5: French spaceplanes & Capsules

On last subject, i can help with data or some photos.
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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2017, 03:14:27 pm »
Hesham you idea is good, but i'm afraid that book is limited to 264-282 pages by publisher
better the chapters Helicopters & Autogiros move into French VTOL book

JC Carbonel, what about this sequence of publications ?

French Secret Projects 3: Fighters, Bombers and other planes 1935-1942
French Secret Projects 4: French VTOL 1909-1999
French Secret Projects 5: French spaceplanes & Capsules

On last subject, i can help with data or some photos.

OK about helicopters my dear Michel;

But I think it must be like this;

French Secret Projects 3: Military Aircraft 1930-1942
French Secret Projects 4: Civil Aircraft 1930-1942
French Secret Projects 5: French VTOL 1909-1999
French Secret Projects 6: French spaceplanes & Capsules

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2017, 05:55:11 pm »
Personally I'd love to see more information on the 1935-42 era because the English language material on French designs of that time is extremely sparse.

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2017, 02:09:29 am »
civil airplanes 1930-1942 ? you mean like airliners as in Arc-en-ciel and  small "biz-planes" like Simoun? That's way out of my waters !!! I could maybe do "airliners and business planes 1945-2005" but I tell you that if research to find original (period)material on warbirds for this period is difficult, I just would not know by which end tackling civilian subjects.

re : order of books.
*if* it depends on me it would be VTO (beginning with Blériot perhaps even earlier with Capazza) , then spaceplanes (I already took a few contacts and I think Hermes would not be too troublesome... that's the projects from the sixties which I expect to cause difficulties) and finally between-the-wars military. What I have on this last subject is mostly published material (Cuny, Leyvastre, Marchand and co) and considering the trouble the guys at Dassault have finding enough material to build a 1/1 MB 152, I fear a lot of material that was available thirty years ago has been lost, misplaced etc...
Pre-war company archives have got more or less, if not destroyed, turned into puzzle games by the various take-over, amalgamations, fusions etc...and private archive tend to evaporate with uninterested descendants ...

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Re: French Secret Projects 3
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2017, 04:56:21 am »
I voted for military projects 1935-1942. Based on your previous work, I would be very much interested in books about the other subjects too.