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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #135 on: January 28, 2018, 11:06:16 am »
Just popping in to say I enjoyed the bookazine a lot - and it has a place in my bookshelf.

I'd find one on piston powered projects of that time very interesting....

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #136 on: January 28, 2018, 11:17:23 am »
Hi Dan,
can you upload a bigger version drawing of BV P 209.02 with unswept tail?
Thank you in advance!

Hopefully this is sufficient.

Oh, thank you very much!

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #137 on: February 11, 2018, 09:52:57 am »
Adding to this thread, some input from a 1945 report on aircraft remote control turrets: the Lippisch P11, well depicted in Dan`s volumes 1 and 3, was considered to receive the following armament:

5 Mk 103`s with 120 rounds aech;
5 Mk 108`s with 120 rounds each;
2 Mk 103`s and 2 MG 213C;
2 Mk 112`s of 50 rounds each;
1 Mk 214a and 2 Mk 103.

It was produced from Rheinmetall-Borsig`s documents and researchers statements. They confirm Henschel was meant to build the airplane.

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #138 on: March 05, 2018, 06:39:25 am »
Addendum to p72-73. This appears to be the missing link between the large-fin version of the P 212.02 and the P 212.03. Confusingly, it's also just labelled 'P 212.02', where it appears to be the P 212.02-03 in sequence. In detail terms, besides the shorter dorsal fin and longer rear fuselage, it already has the framed cockpit of the P 212.03 and someone has sketched on a longer nose and the wingtip fins like those of the P 212.03.
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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #139 on: March 05, 2018, 06:57:48 am »
Great find!

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #140 on: March 06, 2018, 09:38:35 am »
Addendum to p72-73.

It has other features similar to the P 212.03, including the fuselage cross-section and five-gun nose armament. It appears to differ only the lack of a definitive tailfin with backwards-trailing rudder. That sloped nose is a hangover from the .01, not a precursor to the .03 - odd to see both .01 and .03 features pencilled in on the same .02 drawing.

The real anomaly is the "ridgeback" .02 with its short nose and aft pilot position but a longer tail. That would have affected the CG quite noticeably, especially with the minimal nose armament, so it must have been either a different and lighter engine or a preliminary study before the CG was properly assessed.
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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #141 on: March 16, 2018, 04:47:13 am »

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #142 on: March 17, 2018, 05:46:02 am »
five-gun nose armament.

Just three gun!!

Five is what is drawn: two on either side below the cockpit and one centrally in front.

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #143 on: March 17, 2018, 07:45:48 am »
No guns under the cockpit!

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Re: Luftwaffe: Secret Wings of the Third Reich
« Reply #144 on: March 17, 2018, 11:39:28 am »
Hi