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Offline totoro

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #210 on: October 23, 2018, 04:19:40 am »
The whole model is so devoid of details that one wonders how accurate even the basic things like dimensions of wings/engines/intakes/cockpit are, compared to the rest of the plane. Basically, it seems very, very pointless to even discuss such a model in detail. Aside from discussions of general planform choice, no-tails choice, number of engines choice etc.
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #211 on: October 23, 2018, 04:44:49 am »
Sacre bleu, will people stop nicking my doodle pad already?

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #212 on: October 23, 2018, 04:52:03 am »
Thanks for the new photos, Harrier and Galgot.

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #213 on: October 23, 2018, 04:57:57 am »
Not mine , I re-posted one of Harrier's photos cause I love that angle ,
Thanks Harrier :)

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #214 on: October 23, 2018, 05:00:31 am »
What is the gull-winged mockup on the left?

And a suggestion to why such large wing: collapsible vertical tails.

Also notice that it seems to have asymmetrical wing design what suggest two different versions: the pointy for AdlA (left wing) and the larger one for the Marine (with collapsible verticals?)

At last it seems that this thing is in the expo to really display something  :D
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #215 on: October 23, 2018, 05:10:33 am »
Also notice that it seems to have asymmetrical wing design what suggest two different versions: the pointy for AdlA (left wing) and the larger one for the Marine (with collapsible verticals?)
i Don't agree
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #216 on: October 23, 2018, 05:23:46 am »
well either the pictures have been doctored, either we have an optical anomaly...

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #217 on: October 23, 2018, 05:36:38 am »
Either it's just an effect of perspective...

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #218 on: October 23, 2018, 06:10:10 am »
Or it could be a morphing wing. Which would be very interesting indeed.
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #219 on: October 23, 2018, 06:25:39 am »

‘Gull winged mockup’ is the UCAS formally known as UK-FR.
Why such a large wing? Probably due to the carrier approach speed requirement.
Both wings are the same but the tip being aligned with the inboard highly swept section, the wing thickness and possibly the usual couple of degrees of wing twist can make them look different.

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #220 on: October 23, 2018, 06:33:46 am »
I think it's just an effect of the perspective really.
Photographing a model of this size (seems like 80cm/1m long) from this distance gives this kind of while angle distortion.
The left wing looks pointy cause the wing tip has an swept angle, and also because the wing tips has a bit of negative incidence (visible on the front view posted by deltafan, see how the tips goes down a bit). so from that camera angle , the left wing leading edge + wing tip look like a straight line.

Btw, the fact that this wing tip negative incidence is reproduced indicate that even if devoid of any surface details , the model is very precise shapewise.

edit: @JeffTracy, yes wing twist :)
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #221 on: October 23, 2018, 07:31:28 am »
Yes I do agree. Looking at the wing planform shadows confirms that the model could be indeed symmetrical.

Any good picture of the gull-winged UCAS?

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #222 on: October 23, 2018, 07:43:35 am »
Sacre bleu, will people stop nicking my doodle pad already?

I think that happens a lot.  Went on about Pershing II being a potential strategic antiship missile for defense of the US back in the 90s on USENET.  Now China has their DF-21. . . :P  Obviously a coincidence, and yes, I know you were kidding.  ;)
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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #223 on: October 23, 2018, 07:51:53 am »
The whole model is so devoid of details that one wonders how accurate even the basic things like dimensions of wings/engines/intakes/cockpit are, compared to the rest of the plane. Basically, it seems very, very pointless to even discuss such a model in detail. Aside from discussions of general planform choice, no-tails choice, number of engines choice etc.

I'm pretty sure they omitted a tail radar from the simplistic model, too. Likewise, no hint of DIRCM.

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Re: France and Germany to develop new european fighter jet
« Reply #224 on: October 23, 2018, 08:03:33 am »
Or it could be a morphing wing. Which would be very interesting indeed.
That would explain the silver "Flight of the Navigator" ship look to the model  ;)

Nice shape anyway!