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Offline Schneiderman

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George Miles concepts 1956
« on: May 22, 2017, 01:46:00 pm »
I don't think these two patents have been posted here before. Both are concepts patented by George Miles, of F.G.Miles ltd, in 1956
GB844614 is basically an extension of their earlier Libellula tandem-wing concept for high speed jets
GB831978 is a composite aircraft bomber, a concept that would not look out of place amongst Derek Meddings' designs for Thunderbirds


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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2017, 04:26:24 pm »
Wow,thank you Schneiderman.

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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2017, 01:18:19 am »
hmm just musing, could this be FG. Miles thoughts on OR.330 ?

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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2017, 09:45:15 am »
Probably not as this was designed purely as a bomber. The rear portion, carrying the bomb load, was to be disposable; either dropping the bombs and then crashing or carrying the bomb onto the target under radar guidance.

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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2017, 11:55:04 am »
R.156T was issued in October 1954 and RB.156D was issued in May 1956.  A bomber version of the original R.156 was being looked at (by the RAE) well before RB.156 was issued, so Joe's musings could be on the right track. Avro had designs for two-stage reconnaissance UAVs around the same time.

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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2017, 01:47:33 pm »
Not totally out of the question but without any real use as a reconnaissance asset it would appear unlikely. The disposable part of the composite is a load carrier, the manned part a 'get-the-hell-out-of-there-pronto' aircraft
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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2017, 02:15:19 pm »
Hmmm...very interesting, a variation on Blue Moon and the Minimum Conventional Bomber. Payload a 20000lb Special  Weapon I suppose?

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Re: George Miles concepts 1956
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2017, 11:35:47 pm »
Well its a patent, so deliberately short on specific details regarding load, range etc. The load-carrier component was to be of simple and cheap construction with short-life engines, maybe to include rockets.
As ORs by their very nature were confidential documents how widely would they have been circulated and discussed? F.G.Miles were a very small operation in the mid 1950s so would they have been included in those briefed on the OR? I know little about what they may have been involved in beyond the aircraft they built, Sparrowjet, Student and Aerovan, but were Fred and George well regarded at the cutting edge of design and likely to have been consulted?