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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2006, 11:42:13 pm »
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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2006, 07:38:52 am »
Always nice to learn something new :)

Luch also do the test&calibration systems (BITE) for different soviet/russian air-to-air, air-to-surface and torpedo delivering rockets. The last one is called "Gurt".

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2010, 08:48:02 am »
From: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1055.msg28769

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Source : Russia & CIS Observer
Date : 17 June 2007
Author : Piotr Butowski

Russia's new-generation PAK FA fighter being developed by the Sukhoi Design Bureau will have not only feature a new airframe, radar, avionics and engines. It also will be equipped with new-generation weapons that are being evolved in two parallel paths: the continued modernization of existing missiles with stepped improvement of their capabilities; and the design of next-generation weapons.

GosMKB Vympel, Russia's leading air-to-air missile design bureau, is busy evolving a full spectrum of missiles for the PAK FA, ranging from short-range weapons to long-range variants. In 2010, Vympel expects to complete its development of the short-range Izdeliye 760 missile which is a significantly modernized version of the R-73 weapon, outfitted with an inertial flight control system and course correction receiver, improved rocket engine and with new multi-mode infrared seeker. The Izdeliye 760 is expected to be a close counterpart to the Western-built ASRAAM and Sidewinder AIM-9X missiles.

Three years later, the new-generation K-MD short range missile (also to be designated the Izdeliye 300) is to be operational. When compared to Izdeliye 760, the new missile will have longer range and will be capable of being launched from any direction; it will be also more resistant to jamming. The K-MD will be fitted with a new imaging infrared seeker enabling identification of target according to memorized images. The seeker's lock-on range will be two times greater than the seeker for the Izdeliye 760 missile. A new adaptive warhead will be introduced, and the missile's control will be performed with aerodynamic surfaces, as well as a thrust-vector engine nozzle.

Russia's most modern medium-range air-to-air missile is the R-77 (Izdeliye 170) and its export derivative RVV-AE (Izdeliye 190). A phased modernization of this weapon, designated the K-77-1 (Izdeliye 170-1), is now being tested. In addition, the K-77M (Izdeliye 180) missile is currently under development as a second step in the R-77's modernization. The most visible change in the Izdeliye 180's external appearance compared to the R-77/RVV-AE is replacement of its latticework fins by more common flat aerodynamic control planes. This reduces aerodynamic drag and cuts down on the radar cross-section. The missile will be fitted with a modernized active radar seeker and new double pulse solid-propellant engine. Its maximum range will be 2-3.5 times more than the Izdeliye 170 (R-77) missile, depending on the launch altitude. The Izdeliye 180 is expected to be better than the AMRAAM AIM-120C7 missile, and equal to its successor versions, with a service-ready date targeted for 2010.

A future medium-range air-to-air missile as a follow-on to the Izdeliye 180 also is in development, but no additional information has yet to be released about this weapon.

Russia is the only country developing ultra-long range air-to-air missiles able of reach targets at distances of up to 400 km. Two such missiles are competing to be a basic weapon on the PAK FA fighter: the Izdeliye 172 (K-100) from Novator, and the Izdeliye 810 from Vympel.

All air-to-air weapons on the PAK FA (including the largest Izdeliye 172 missile) are designed to be carried in the aircraft's internal weapons bay. To allow these weapons to be deployed from the internal bay, Vympel is designing two types of ejection release units capable of carrying 300 kg and 700 kg loads.

The PAK FA also is expected to carry its basic complement of air-to-ground weapons internally. These include the modernized Kh-58Ush long-range anti-radiation missile, the newly-developed Kh-36 short-range anti-radiation missile, the new short-range electro-optical Kh-38 missile, as well as the UAB-250 and KAB-500M guided bombs. Heavier weapon types will be carried on the aircraft's external pylons.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2010, 11:51:38 am »
"Izdeliye 760 missile which is a significantly modernized version of the R-73 weapon, outfitted with an inertial flight control system and course correction receiver"

Midcourse guidance on an R-73?  That's an amusing concept.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2010, 03:33:44 am »
"Izdeliye 760 missile which is a significantly modernized version of the R-73 weapon, outfitted with an inertial flight control system and course correction receiver"

Midcourse guidance on an R-73?  That's an amusing concept.

Why does it amuse you? A datalink is being added to the AIM-9X.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 10:23:15 am »
Amusing as in it'll suprise the hell out of someone.  The R-73 is still no joke in the WVR department, even if it has been superceded technologically by the likes of the AIM-9X and Python 5.  Couple it with midcourse guidance and the Su-35 or T-50's IRST set and you're going to make some people sweat.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2010, 05:19:48 am »
^sounds reasonable since the missile will be inside a bay
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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2011, 08:37:38 pm »
I thought I'd bring this back up to the surface - given that we now have pictures (and some stats) for the RVV-BD.

I have a couple of quick questions to discuss:
- Has there been any mention of an Infra-Red terminal homing version?
- Also, how big a limitation is the <8G target (presumably as a result of the conventional control system and large size) - In other words, is the PAK-FA built around a weapon system that many fighters can out turn?

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #23 on: September 01, 2011, 04:12:10 pm »
Speaking of the RVV-BD...

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2011, 06:23:39 pm »
Colored the R-37 a bit, and added the two R-33s for comparison.  The R-33S appears to use similar wings to the R-37.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #25 on: September 02, 2011, 03:24:45 am »
Sean, R-37 and RVV-BD nose cones have *dramatically* different shape. Check photos! ;)
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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2011, 09:07:41 am »
Yeah yeah yeah.  I'm working on it.  Everything else is ridiculously simple compared to accurately modeling a curved nosecone shape.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2011, 10:18:18 am »


note cone increased length as well
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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #28 on: September 03, 2011, 11:59:37 pm »
It appears to be a bit longer, but not necessarily as much as you think.  That's a bad image, with a little bit of fisheye effect going on to skew the airframe.  Besides, it can't be significantly longer:  the dimensions in the brochure don't indicate such (although we don't have "official" R-37 specs to reference), and it can't be physically much bigger to still fit under the MiG-31BM which it appears optimized for, with the folding upper rear fins as on the R-33 and R-33S.  To fit this thing in an internal bay you'll want all four sets of fins to fold.
 
Working on fixing the nosecone, the illustration was prepared before I'd seen any images of the RVV-BD without the red nose cover.

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Re: Current Russian/Ukrainian AAM projects
« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2011, 04:12:33 am »
It appears to be a bit longer, but not necessarily as much as you think.
cone is longer in relation to total lenght in comparison to R-33/R-37 (not a guess)
To fit this thing in an internal bay you'll want all four sets of fins to fold.
This RVV-BD is not for PAK FA.
Working on fixing the nosecone, the illustration was prepared before I'd seen any images of the RVV-BD without the red nose cover.
nice results then!
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