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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2017, 03:10:09 am »
Thank you, Paul!

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2017, 03:49:28 am »
After that you'll need to wait until my missus can get to the post office.

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2017, 03:52:47 am »
Morning my lovely boys (as BSM Williams would say)

Any books ordered before 1100hrs have been posted. Mrs CJ will handle any subsequent orders.

Mr Warren, drop me a line and let me know what you want and we'll sort that out for you.

Amazon always ordered on an as required basis, so if you ordered from them, they'd contact me, I'd send to them and they'd sent to the customer. Tedious and kept the postie busy. I prefer to deal with the independent book stores such as the Aviation Book Shop, Aviation Book Centre, Ian Allan (Brum and Waterloo) and for the Scots market, Word Power Books in Edinburgh. they keep stock. if I'm at home, direct ordering is fastest.

Hope this is helpful

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2017, 03:54:34 am »
Grey Havoc - think Clever Girl...

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2017, 04:26:03 am »
Grey Havoc - think Clever Girl...

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2017, 04:54:24 am »
"Mrs CJ" makes me think of CJ from The Fall and Rise of Reginald Perrin:

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2017, 02:54:33 pm »
Many thanks to you for your help, Mr. Gibson! I should be in touch with you soon!

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2017, 03:11:44 am »
Huzzah! Pay day on Monday too....

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2017, 05:16:00 am »
Having problems with blue envoy's email address blue.envoy.services@googlemail.com  it just bounces back as not recognised when ordering can anyone confirm its right and  its my end that's went wonky  i.e yahoo

All sorted thanks Chris
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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2017, 10:40:21 am »
Thanks again to Paul and CJ for their help. While difficulties in ordering specificallyThe Air Staff and the Helicopterprompted my earlier post, I've just succeeded in acquiring an earlier Chris Gibson Project Tech Profiles title, The Admiralty and AEW, from Ian Robinson. Since he's indicated he has TASH in stock and since I've just transacted with him, I've decided to order from him. He seems a really good bookseller and I recommend him to fellow members 8558ia_fv4106ncf@members.ebay.co.uk.

Mr. Gibson, I must strongly complement you for The Admiralty and AEW. Really looking forward to The Air Staff and the Helicopter!
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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #25 on: May 17, 2017, 11:31:01 am »
I received my copy yesterday and it is a fascinating read, I was very interested to see details of the Westland WG1 as I have never seen a GA drawing of it before only of the later WG11.
It is amazing how many times requirements have chopped and changed it is a wonder we ever buy anything.
Really hope you are planning a Naval helicopter companion volume with ASW WG1 and WG11 featured.
Alan

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2017, 04:05:12 am »
I have finally had a chance to read this after having received it some time ago. There are lots of interesting pieces, I especially enjoyed the section about the Air Staff's angle on the WG.1, it added significantly to what I have discovered myself about the RN's interest from an ASW perspective whilst the drawings of the engine and gearbox layouts were fascinating.

As an additional note on the final section around AST.404/SR(A).432 this section in Hansard from 1987 adds some context: http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1987/apr/09/helicopter-orders

Additionally, my understanding is that whilst SR(A).432 was described as being a Puma and Wessex replacement the initial plan was that 25 EH.101s would replace the Puma fleet which would in turn replace the Wessex fleet and that there was an implicit assumption that at some point later a further 25 EH.101s would be ordered to replace the Pumas. Incidentally I understand that a further 24 navy EH.101s (to meet the initial requirement for 74) were also not fully taken off the table until the 1990s. 
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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #27 on: May 27, 2017, 04:58:14 am »
Chris
Have sent an order for this excellent looking book.
Managed to find the only image I know the British version of the NH-90 from Flight International

https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1987/1987%20-%200134.html?search=nh -90

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #28 on: May 27, 2017, 08:00:53 am »
JFC - having talked to a few of the folk involved in all that AST.404 nonsense, the impression gained is that nobody had a clue what was going on! That was before the politics was factored in. At least it was killed off before it turned into a Nimrod/Phoenix/Atlas-style spinning bow-tie extravaganza.

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Re: The Air Staff and the Helicopter
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2017, 09:01:42 am »
Chris,

Very much my impression as well! The eventual support helicopter acquisition (SR(A).440 contracted in 1995) ended up being a split buy between Chinook (14, 8 of which became the HC.Mk.3 disaster) and AW101s (22). The only reason the Merlins were ordered was to give Westland something to do and because the government got a cut of every Merlin sold (in an attempt to overcome this Boeing offered a 200% offset deal if the UK ordered more than 30 Chinooks), the RAF made it very clear they wanted Chinooks only. They ultimately got their way in 2008-10 when the Merlins were transferred to the Navy to replace the Commando Sea Kings and 14 (of a desired 24) new build Chinooks were ordered.

In the early 2000s the idea had been for a joint Commando Sea King and Puma replacement under the title Future Medium Helicopter Capability which became the Merlin HC.Mk.3 transfer and a further Puma life extension. Amusingly, after flirting with further extending the type to 2035, a Puma replacement is back on the cards for the late 2020s.I did at one point see an MoD document that had additional Chinooks penciled in of the 2020s to replace the Puma but this seems to have fallen from favour.