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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #90 on: October 18, 2016, 09:11:57 am »
Jeeeeeezus.

One can always find somebody rambling on about nonsense on the internet.  They can reach more people that way vs screaming on street corners.

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #91 on: October 20, 2016, 06:41:09 pm »
Wow...
As I see it, that meticulously crafted wall of text has three legitimate concerns.
1: the toxicity of the oxidizing martian soil.
    This might require at worst, for non-emergency EVA's, a three stage don, doff procedure for spacesuits like in a biohazard  facility or Hazmat cleanup site.  That this is possible is strongly hinted at by the existence of biohazard facillities and hazmat cleanup sites.

2: Farming: there are plenty of indications that Martian soil will grow crops, however even if that is a deal breaker, hydroponics work and depending on the type of set-up, one can grow fish too. This is not as efficient as plants, but would be a side item to provide a bit of a morale booster and as an added bonus might make everything non-vegan, thereby keeping out an undesireable element.

3: Low gravity: a possible show stopper. I'm more of a Dandridge Cole/ Gerald K O'Neal guy for this reason, however a variable gravity research facility is well within our capabilities, and tests on such a facility would give an answer one way or another.
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/publications/reports/CB-1106/maryland01b.pdf       
http://www.artificial-gravity.com/JANNAF-2005-Sorensen.pdf

Note that if Martian gravity proves adequate, then it is a non issue. If lunar gravity or therabouts is sufficient, then we have a whole lot of potential spacesteads in the outer system. If not then the Stanford Torus is waiting for a big big reuseable rocket...which conveniently enough, is the centerpiece of the endeavor being discussed.

As for terraforming being beyond reason, Ziggurats and Pyramids were built by people for whom working copper was bleeding edge technology. The mounds of the Mississippi basin were built by those for whom Jade was the toughest tool material, and the closest equivalent to this, the Medieval Cathedrals were built over generations by people with chisels and hammers. We on the other hand, have split the atom, have crisper gene editing, can make greenhouse gasses in prodigious quantities and have had the math worked out on moving asteroids and comets with mass drivers since 1974. If we decide to use these tools, Mars becomes something akin to a Cathedral in scale.

All we lack is faith and a sense of purpose.
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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #92 on: October 23, 2016, 06:36:44 am »
Giving heads up; 8.5 hours from now, 22:00 UTC Elon Musk will have "ask me anything" on Reddit;

https://www.reddit.com/r/spacex/comments/58yc14/elon_musk_will_be_doing_an_ama_on_rspacex_at_3pm/
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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #93 on: October 23, 2016, 07:10:51 am »
And in case anyone's concerned; this AMA / Q&A is being hosted by / overseen by the SpaceX subreddit moderators; the questions that get pushed to the top aren't going to be ones about Burning Man sanitation or requests for kisses.

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #94 on: October 24, 2016, 12:54:02 am »
Hi everybody,

slightly off topic - but we keep on track. The overall design looks as if very much inspired by 1930s early pulp science fiction artworks. Such as the one attached from Astounding Stories (April 1936 issue), and war-era youth technical magazines, such as Soviet Tecknika Molodjezhi (1941, 6). Just enjoy.

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #95 on: November 28, 2016, 03:34:25 am »
This seems apropos for this thread:

Frozen water bigger US Great Lake found on MARS paving way for human exploration
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science/736752/MARS-discovery-colonisation-great-lake-nasa

The new study by Nasa revealed the massive, icy sub-surface lake is covered by just 10 metres of soil and holds 12,100 cubic kilometres of frozen water.


The water is located in Utopia Planitia which is in the lower latitudes rather than up near the poles.

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #96 on: May 29, 2017, 06:10:45 am »
Elon will likely reveal more details on his Big Mars Colonization Rocket at IAC 2017 Sept 25-29 2017

http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/05/elon-will-likely-reveal-more-details-on-his-big-mars-colonization-rocket-at-iac-2017-sept-25-29-2017.html

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #97 on: May 30, 2017, 11:06:49 pm »
Some rendering von fans to show the size of ITS compare to Falcon 9

That show SpaceX ITS is mother of all launch rocket*

*Except:
Super NEXUS design, Seadragon and what ever Blue Origin will build under name "New Armstrong"...


Picture source
https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6dumqx/spacexs_its_vs_falcon_9_size_comparison/
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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #98 on: May 31, 2017, 04:51:35 am »
I certainly HOPE we get to see a space race between SpaceX and Blue Origin.   ;D
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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #99 on: May 31, 2017, 07:46:01 am »
I certainly HOPE we get to see a space race between SpaceX and Blue Origin.   ;D

And NASA ?

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« Reply #100 on: May 31, 2017, 08:11:34 am »
I certainly HOPE we get to see a space race between SpaceX and Blue Origin.   ;D

And NASA ?

They're not really in the race. 
"DARPA Hard"  It ain't what it use to be.

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #101 on: Yesterday at 03:59:27 am »
Elon Musk Teases 'Unexpected' Updates to Interplanetary Rocket

https://www.inverse.com/article/36754-elon-musk-unexpected-spacex-its-system-rocket

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #102 on: Yesterday at 08:39:42 am »
I certainly HOPE we get to see a space race between SpaceX and Blue Origin.   ;D

And NASA ?

They're not really in the race.

NASA has no reason to be in any sort of 'race'. A race denotes a destination reached in the minimal amount of time. clock-punchers don't race.

Also, NASA has become risk adverse; too many chiefs who want to run their respective gigs out till retirement. No risk, they keep their gigs; so, no race. See: Space Shuttle, and the SLS.

Two aspects of a government bureaucracy that take NASA out of any real motivation to 'race' ANYONE.

NASA should do one thing (as NACA did): research! Nice, vital, SAFE (no one gets killed), research.

Leave car making to Detroit (OK, I'll duck those arrows). Leave space transportation systems to the private sector -- people who want to make a buck and will take risks to do it -- that's the stuff of racers.

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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #103 on: Yesterday at 10:33:08 am »

NASA should do one thing (as NACA did): research! Nice, vital, SAFE (no one gets killed), research.


So long as by "research" you include "sending unmanned *AND* manned missions to everywhere where there is a where."

NASA should be saying "we want to land ten astronauts on the surface of Mars by 2025, and return them safely to Earth by 2028." What NASA should *not* say is "we want to send ten astronauts to Mars using the VASIMR (or NERVA, or Orion, or EM drive, or what-the-frak-ever) technology."

Do tech developments. Do missions. But do them separately. If Technology XYZ really is the greatest thing ever, then once NASA develops it, Boeing and LockMart and SpaceX will all race to incorporate it into their missions. If Technology XYZ turns out to be a bust, the mission can still go forward, because you didn't baseline XYZ.
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Re: Space X Interplanetary Transport System
« Reply #104 on: Yesterday at 03:30:43 pm »
I certainly HOPE we get to see a space race between SpaceX and Blue Origin.   ;D

And NASA ?

They're not really in the race.

NASA has no reason to be in any sort of 'race'. A race denotes a destination reached in the minimal amount of time. clock-punchers don't race.

Also, NASA has become risk adverse; too many chiefs who want to run their respective gigs out till retirement. No risk, they keep their gigs; so, no race. See: Space Shuttle, and the SLS.

Two aspects of a government bureaucracy that take NASA out of any real motivation to 'race' ANYONE.

NASA should do one thing (as NACA did): research! Nice, vital, SAFE (no one gets killed), research.

Leave car making to Detroit (OK, I'll duck those arrows). Leave space transportation systems to the private sector -- people who want to make a buck and will take risks to do it -- that's the stuff of racers.

David

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