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Offline JC Carbonel

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2017, 02:29:41 am »


some teasing.

JCC
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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2017, 03:17:40 am »
Thanks a lot !

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2017, 03:24:05 am »
wow!!!
MY opinion French Secret Projects 1 and 2 is the best discovery
First book is in my collection, every pages and drawing is new look
Second will be Soon
MR JC Carbonel, thank very much, for this magnificent book



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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #48 on: July 17, 2017, 10:22:14 am »
In the August 2017 issue of the French magazine "Le Fana de l'Aviation", there is the 3-page article "La force atomique fantôme" about aircraft projects for the French Force de Frappe. It is written by Philippe Gallien.  The article is from page 35 to 37 in the magazine.
One concept is á la "B-58C Hustler".  ;) B) Again, great drawings by Alain Rataineau aka alanqua.  :)
Looking foward to read about the French bomber projects  in forthcoming book French Secret Projects 2.

Edited and more info added for better understanding. It was late last night. :)
Here a screenshot of page 36 and 37 of that article showing the drawing of the Nord Aviation nuclear bomber Project, I mentioned before. This drawing and one of the "Mirage 4000N" are by Alain Rataineau aka alanqua.  :) B)
The other 3-view drawing shows the Dassault Mirage IVB project.
Link: https://scontent-frx5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/20023936_1481821871884599_8917915186069893886_o.png?oh=4797f557ef0b6de09eda5b90dbc2b455&oe=5A011F39
This screenshot is published on "Le Fana de l'Aviation"'s Facebook site. Due to copyright and forum rules, I will not post it as a picture attachment to this post.  :)
Slán,
fightingirish

Slán ist an Irish Gaelic word for Goodbye.  :)

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #49 on: July 17, 2017, 11:54:45 am »
Interesting to compare the Nord Minerve rendered by Alain Ratinaud in dark camouflage (à la Mirage IV in the seventies)  to the cover of FSP2 by Daniel Uhr (in natural metal early sixties style).

More teasing : Attila, Sud-Aviation nuclear-powered missile. page 236 of FSP2


JCC
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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2017, 02:35:37 pm »
Thanks FightingIrish and M. Carbonel.

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #51 on: July 26, 2017, 04:43:01 am »
I loved the first book and also discovered the marvellous French language graphic novels
about the French Air Force and Navy pilots (BD) various series and ordered on Amazon
to try and recover my schoolboy French.
Cannot wait until the second volume. I am hoping that there might be some info on the
proposed production Mirage III vstol to replace F100s in the Armee de l'Air

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #52 on: July 27, 2017, 12:39:52 pm »
I don't understand the Mirage VTOL were covered in page 222 to 226 of Vol 1.

But in Vol 2 you will get to see various low-speed VTOL (which is small transports such the Aéroblic featured above and attack aircraft like the N500 M) and Dassault will also return with the Mirage IV saga and the Minerve programme.

JCC

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2017, 04:03:21 pm »
Sorry for the confusion. I read somewhere that the
production Mirage vstolbwas intended to be a two
searer strike aircraft carrying a single nuclear bomb rather
than a fighter like the protypes. I wondered if you had come
across this one.

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2017, 01:49:40 am »
From JCC '...small transports such the Aéroblic...'

Much better looking than BSEL's Flying Pig.

I'd be interested in how the Aeroblic works.

Chris

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2017, 02:58:45 am »
Basically the Aeroblic is a ducted fan aircraft with the fan having the same axis as the fuselage. At the rear of the duct are mounted large deflectors so that the airflow is both slightly compressed (the wing "in the shape of a whistle" as Labat put it also acts to compress the airflow) and strongly deflected downward. Labat did not consider his machine as a pure VTOL but an aircraft "able to hover with near-null translation speed".
See my Coléoptère book page 128-129 (Everything overlaps you see and many VTOL got a more detailed treatment in this book than in FSP)

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2017, 03:07:08 am »
If you want ugly things look at the chapter fourteen with Gaston Chevrollier's flyiable ground-vehicles, the MS850 "flying jeep" and the Nord Norapter (the result of the un-natural mating of a Marmon-Herrington truck and a Hawker P1127 engine !

JCC

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2017, 09:01:57 am »
Thanks for the teasers and extra details.
Any update on the release date of the book?
Amazon sent me another holding email.

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Re: French Secret Projects 2: Bombers, Patrol and Assault Aircraft
« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2017, 09:10:08 am »
"Any update on the release date of the book? "

That's unfortunately beyond the author !!!! :-\

JCC