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Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« on: June 17, 2016, 05:11:58 am »
We have topics on several of the aircraft in this list, and attempts at identifying missing numbers in places, but no complete list in one single topic, so I thought this could be a good idea. Since it's the "Designations" section here, I'm only giving the basic info for identification purposes, but it's always possible to develop one or several projects in the appropriate section.

First of all, general information on the Fábrica Militar de Aviones (FMA) and later Fábrica Argentina de Aviones SA (FAdeA) can be found in these English and Spanish language Wikipedia pages:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1brica_Argentina_de_Aviones
https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%A1brica_Argentina_de_Aviones

A very interesting page can be found on the website of the Rumbos Aeronauticos magazine:
http://www.eam.iua.edu.ar/rumbos/Revista-37/RevistaRumbos37-HistAeronautica.htm

The first part of this list, which deals with pre-WW2 types, is chronological as there was no established standard numbering system.
The second part of the list, which starts circa 1940, is presented sequentially using model numbers from 16 to 73, with the non-sequential number 90 added last.
Finally, a handful of undesignated license-built types from the post-war period.

—   License-built Avro 504K Gosport biplane basic trainer (1928)
—   License-built Bristol F.2B biplane fighter
—   License-built Dewoitine D.21 monoplane fighter (1930)
—   License-built Rhön Brussard glider

Ae.C.1   Civil tourism aircraft prototype (1931)
Ae.M.E.1   Tandem-seat low-wing single-engine primary trainer (1932)
Ae.C.2   Tandem-seat low-wing single-engine civil aircraft, a version of Ae.M.E.-1 (1932)
Ae.T.1   Low-wing single-engine transport/commercial aircraft (1933)
Ae.C.3   Low-wing single-engine civil aircraft (1934)
Ae.M.O.1   Observation monoplane (1934)
Ae.M.Oe.1   Variant of Ae.M.O.1 (1934)
Ae.M.Oe.2   Variant of Ae.M.O.1 (1934)
Ae.M.S.1   Sanitary aircraft (1935)
Ae.M.B.1   Low-wing single-engine cantilever monoplane bomber (1935)
Ae.M.B.2 Bombi   Low-wing single-engine cantilever monoplane bomber (1935)
Ae.C.3G   Low-wing single-engine tourism aircraft (1936)
Ae.C.4   Improved prototype version of the Ae.C.3G (1936)

I.Ae. 16 El Gaucho   (engine)
—   License-built Curtiss Hawk 75O monoplane fighter (1940)
Jilguero    License-built Focke-Wulf Fw 44J Stieglitz biplane trainer (1940)
I.Ae. R-19 / 19R / 19SR1   El Indio (engine)
I.Ae. 20 El Boyero   Tourism aircraft, series built by Industrias Petrolini (1940)
I.Ae. 21   Advanced trainer prototype based on North American NA-16-1P fuselage (1943)
I.Ae. 22 "DL"   Advanced trainer aircraft (also found as "D.L. 22") (1943)
I.Ae. 23   Basic trainer prototype based on Focke-Wulf Fw 44J (1945)
I.Ae. 24 Calquin   Two-seat attack/light bomber (1946)
I.Ae. 25 Manque   Assault/transport glider (1945)
I.Ae. 26    Single-engine conventional fighter aircraft designed by Emile Dewoitine; superseded by I.Ae. 27
I.Ae. 27 Pulqui   Jet fighter prototype, first such in Latin America, designed by Emile Dewoitine (1947)
I.Ae. 27A Pulqui II   Projected development
I.Ae.28 Super Calquin   Twin-engine transport project
I.Ae.28 (2)   Twin-engine light bomber project
I.Ae.29   Jet fighter project with straight wings and lower nose intakes; abandoned with development of I.Ae. 33 (1947-48)
I.Ae. 30 Ñancú   Twin-engine fighter/attack prototype (1947)
I.Ae. 30 "Pallavicino I"   Projected heavy fighter twin-jet development by Italian engineer (1949)
I.Ae. 30 "Pallavicino II"   Projected light-bomber twin-jet development by Italian engineer (1949)
I.Ae. 31 Colibrí   Tandem-seat enclosed primary trainer/aerobatics aircraft (1946)
I.Ae. 32 Chingolo   Tourism/trainer/aerobatics aicraft (1949)
I.Ae. 33 Pulqui II   Swept-wing supersonic jet fighter (1950)
I.Ae. 34 Clen Antú   Flying wing glider, designed by Reimar Horten (= Horten XVa / XVb) (1949)
I.Ae. 35 "Justicialista del Aire" > Huanquero   Twin-engined general-purpose monoplane (Types I to IV) (1953)
I.Ae. 35 Pandora   Civil transport version
I.Ae. 35 Constancia   Transport version
I.Ae. 35 Constancia II   Projected version with Turbomeca Bastan turboprops
I.Ae. 35 Guarani II   Transport derived from the I.Ae.35 Huanquero
I.Ae. 36 Cóndor (II) / Pentaturbo   Jet airliner project based on Kurt Tank design (1951)
I.Ae. 37 Delta wing interceptor designed by Reimar Horten
I.Ae. 38 Naranjero   Four-engine experimental flying-wing transport designed under Reimar Horten (196?)
I.Ae. 39   Twin-engine twin-fin passenger transport project based on I.Ae. 35 airframe
I.Ae. 40   Likely a supersonic fighter designed by Kurt Tank; possibly developed in India as the HF-24 Marut (1956-57)
I.Ae. 41 Urubú   Glider (1953)
I.Ae. 42   Four-engine passenger transport project, a variant of I.Ae. 39 project (1952)
I.Ae. 43 Pulqui III   Supersonic delta-wing hunter-interceptor project designed by Kurt Tank (1954)
I.Ae. 44 "DL" II   Tandem-seat enclosed advanced trainer project
I.Ae. 45 Querandí   Light executive transport (1957)
I.Ae. 46 (IA-46) Ranquel   High-wing trainer/agricultural aircraft (1958)
IA-46 Súper Ranquel   More powerful version
I.Ae. 47   Twin-engine passenger transport project (1957)
I.Ae. 48   Twin-engine supersonic interceptor project
I.Ae. 49 Alto Velero   Two-seat high performance sailplane project
IA-50 GII Guaraní (II)   Twin-engine multipurpose aircraft (1962)
IA-51 Tehuelche   All-metal wing version of IA-46
IA-52   Twin-engined high wing light transport project
IA-53 Mamboretá   Low-wing agricultural aircraft (196?)
IA-54 Carancho   Shoulder-wing glider (1965)
IAe-55   Basic trainer project designed by Héctor Eduardo Ruiz
IAe-56   Prototype glider, only partly built (1966)
IAe-57   Primary trainer/aerobatics aircraft
IA-58 Pucará   Counter-insurgency attack jet aicraft (1975)
IA-58B Pucará "Bravo"   Improved prototype
IA-58C Pucará "Charlie"   Single-seat variant
IA-58D Pucará "Delta"   Version with improved avionics and navigation
IA-58E Pucará "Echo"   Planned more powerful variant
IAe-59 Hörten   Regional jet transport project, apparently inspired by Horten's designs
IA-X-59 Dronner   High-wing twin-fin UAV (1972)
IAe-60   Subsonic shoulder wing T-tailed light bomber project, designed by Héctor Eduardo Ruiz (197?)
IA-61   Photo/observation/light transport project, likely a transport derivative of Pucará with pressurized cabin and extended range
IA-62   Trainer project supposed to replace the Beechcraft T-34 in the F.A.A. (1978)
IA-63 Pampa   Advanced shoulder-wing jet trainer (1983)
IA-63  Pampa 2000   Version with improved avionics for participation in U.S. JPATS competition (1993)
AT-63 Pampa Serie II      Attack/trainer version produced by Lockheed Martin Argentina Aircraft S.A. (LMAASA)
IA-63 Pampa III   Improved version, demonstrator only (2013)
IA-64   Very low-cost cargo transport project with Garrett TPE331-1 turbines
IA-65   ?
IA-66 Pucara II   Improved version of IA-58 for Fuerza Aérea Venezolana with Garrett TPE331 turbines (1981)
IA-67 Córdoba   Twin-boom high-wing transport project (197?)
IA-68 ATL   Light passenger transport project supposed to be produced in the 1980s (197?)
IA-69   ?
IA-70 Paraná   Same as the CBA 123 Vector; developed with Embraer from Brazil (1990)
IA-71   ?
IA-72   ?
IA-73   Primary training aircraft currently under development by Argentina Aircraft Factory (FAdeA)

SAIA 90   Supersonic Air Superiority jet fighter (198?)

I.A.X-10   Motorglider (1992)

Other license-built types:
—   Beechcraft 45 Mentor tandem-seat trainer
—   Morane-Saulnier M.S. 760 Paris jet trainer
—   Cessna 150 light plane
—   Cessna 182 AgTruck agricultural plane
« Last Edit: June 18, 2016, 01:56:48 pm by Skyblazer »

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2016, 05:52:34 am »
Amazing work my dear Skyblazer,

and I can add;

I.Ae. 49  was a Project for two-seat high performance sailplane.

I.Ae. 52  was a twin-engined high wing light transport Project

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2016, 06:02:47 am »
Amazing work my dear Skyblazer,
and I can add;
I.Ae. 49  was a Project for two-seat high performance sailplane.
I.Ae. 52  was a twin-engined high wing light transport Project

Thanks hesham.
Great additions, the I.Ae. 49 and I.Ae. 52, thanks for these. I've added the info to the list.

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2016, 08:00:15 am »
Another addition for your excellent listing:
I.A.X-10 Motorglider (1992)

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2016, 10:08:51 am »
Another addition for your excellent listing:
I.A.X-10 Motorglider (1992)

Thanks a lot, Hood! I'll add this to the list. ;)
But before I do that, do you have a source for this type? I could find no mention on it anywhere.
Just a scan of a page where it's mentioned would be enough. Thanks!
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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2016, 01:49:23 pm »
sry, Source unknown B)
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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2016, 01:50:05 pm »
and SAIA AC.90
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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2016, 02:16:05 pm »
sry, Source unknown B)

Probably from "Fábrica Militar de Aviones: Crónicas y testimonios", mentioned here by C469
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,22351.msg225384.html#msg225384
 
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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2016, 10:14:47 pm »
The source is indeed FMA (Fábrica Militar de Aviones)  Fábrica Militar de Aviones: Crónicas y testimonios, edited by Sergio Mansur, Ministerio de Ciencia y Tecnología, 2008. I'm not sure that this free pdf is still available now.

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2016, 11:56:07 pm »
Thanks to Jemiba and Hood...
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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2016, 04:06:21 am »
The source is indeed FMA (Fábrica Militar de Aviones)  Fábrica Militar de Aviones: Crónicas y testimonios, edited by Sergio Mansur, Ministerio de Ciencia y Tecnología, 2008. I'm not sure that this free pdf is still available now.

Just checked. It can be found in several places, but here's the best one, from La enciclopedia de ciencias y tecnologías en Argentina:
http://cyt-ar.com.ar/cyt-ar/index.php/Archivo:FMA.pdf
Download can take a while though, not because it's a 25,84 MB file, but because their server appears to be very slow...

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2016, 12:49:21 pm »
Can anyone clarify concerning the different using of the abbreviations

IA-
I Ae-
I.A.
I.Ae.  ???

Holding Las Alas de Peron II in my hands, I'm confused by author's erratic using of IA-... and IAe-...

The heading for the Pulqui II (on page 64) is IA-33, inside the text (e.g. p66) he uses I Ae-33 (with blank character!), and on the tail of the 4th prototype (contemporary picture on p81) I can read IA 33. There are more examples for an inconsistent notation of the abbreviation. Any idea of the background or even the correct spelling?

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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2016, 05:45:25 am »
All of them are correct  :o

The official designations changed several times in a matter of years. It was almost as if each new government decided to change the company name at will and the various designation prefixes changed overnight.

I too have noted that the official designations changed and that the authors have used them because there is nothing else available.
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Re: Argentine F.M.A./DINFIA/FAdeA designations
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2016, 06:45:26 am »
My dear Boxkite;

the FMA (Fabrica Militar de Aviones) formed in 1927,and in 1943 redesignated Institute
Aerotecnico,during 1952 incorporated into Industrias Aeronauticas y Mecadnicas del Estado,
and in 1957 became Direccion Nacional de Fabricaciones e Investigaciones Aeronauticas,
and reverted to FMA in 1968,so the many prefix belong to a period of those.
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