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A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« on: April 07, 2016, 01:17:44 pm »

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/04/07/air-force-moving-forward--10-replacement/82746220/

WASHINGTON The Air Force is moving forward with a key step in developing a dedicated close-air support plane to replace the A-10 Warthog, a top general said Thursday.

My requirements guys are in the process of building a draft requirements document for a follow-on CAS airplane, Lt. Gen. Mike Holmes, the deputy chief of staff for strategic plans and requirements, said. Its interesting work that at some point well be able to talk with you a little bit more.

Defining the requirement is the first concrete step toward developing potentially developing a replacement A-10 for the close-air support mission, often dubbed A-X. The Air Force has been studying the idea of a procuring single-role A-X for at least a year now, hosting a joint-service summit in March, 2015, to work out options for the close-air support, or CAS, mission.

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2016, 01:26:49 pm »
Too bad they just can't build more A-10s with updated avionics and propulsive system. -SP
« Last Edit: April 07, 2016, 03:48:53 pm by Steve Pace »
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2016, 02:05:44 pm »
Too bad they just can't built more A-10s with updated avionics and propulsive system. -SP

Could we even build that gun in the US if we wanted more?
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2016, 02:13:31 pm »
Too bad they just can't built more A-10s with updated avionics and propulsive system. -SP

Could we even build that gun in the US if we wanted more?

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2016, 02:21:08 pm »
Too bad they just can't built more A-10s with updated avionics and propulsive system. -SP

Could we even build that gun in the US if we wanted more?

There's a guy on Aliexpress can do a good deal...

I could swear I read somewhere that the facility that use to make gatling guns in the US is long gone; that even "new" miniguns are just refurbed old stock made decades ago.
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2016, 02:47:09 pm »
If that's so, it is truly sad....

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2016, 03:15:27 pm »
If that's so, it is truly sad....

Enjoy the Day!  Mark

The history of the classic "minigun" is a depressing read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun

(Yeah, I know, it's Wiki, but it's a decent summation.)
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2016, 06:48:52 pm »
How about single seat version of korea's T-50 when it is selected as T-X aircraft?

Although it is not specialist of CAS, it could be optimized to CAS aircraft with single seat modification.

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2016, 06:51:59 pm »
How about single seat version of korea's T-50 when it is selected as T-X aircraft?

Although it is not specialist of CAS, it could be optimized to CAS aircraft with single seat modification.

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2016, 07:32:10 pm »
If that's so, it is truly sad....

Enjoy the Day!  Mark

The history of the classic "minigun" is a depressing read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun

(Yeah, I know, it's Wiki, but it's a decent summation.)

Dillon is manufacturing new mini-guns.

As for A-X,  I'd vote for the ARES myself.

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2016, 08:02:16 pm »
If that's so, it is truly sad....

Enjoy the Day!  Mark

The history of the classic "minigun" is a depressing read:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minigun

(Yeah, I know, it's Wiki, but it's a decent summation.)

Dillon is manufacturing new mini-guns.

As for A-X,  I'd vote for the ARES myself.

Never understood the fascination with ARES.  Seems like more of a lightweight COIN aircraft than a CAS/BAI like the A-10 was meant to be.  As for the gun, I was talking about gatling guns in general and the GAU-8 specifically.  Maybe whoever produces the Goalkeeper CIWS still builds them but I'm pretty sure nobody in the US is anymore. 
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 08:23:28 pm »
GD-OTS lists goalkeeper as a joint effort withThales Nederland.  As far as I Know, the actual guns are still supplied from the US.

Of course, it's very unlikely that a clean sheet CAS design developed today would carry a 30mm Gatling.  A 25mm would offer more than enough terminal effect -- actual tanks can be dealt with in many other ways.

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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2016, 09:56:07 pm »
Too bad they just can't built more A-10s with updated avionics and propulsive system. -SP

Could we even build that gun in the US if we wanted more?

There's a guy on Aliexpress can do a good deal...

I could swear I read somewhere that the facility that use to make gatling guns in the US is long gone; that even "new" miniguns are just refurbed old stock made decades ago.

http://www.gd-ots.com/productsbycategory.html
https://www.dillonaero.com/content/p/9/pid/1/catid/1/Standard_M134D
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2016, 12:12:51 am »
Too bad they just can't built more A-10s with updated avionics and propulsive system. -SP

Could we even build that gun in the US if we wanted more?

There's a guy on Aliexpress can do a good deal...

I could swear I read somewhere that the facility that use to make gatling guns in the US is long gone; that even "new" miniguns are just refurbed old stock made decades ago.
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Re: A-X all over again - USAF pushes for A-10 replacement
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2016, 01:14:49 am »
Let face it the A-10 is best attack aircraft ever build.
A unique opportunity were Military, Politician and Engineers work together to create ultimate tank hunter

The A-10 Thunderbolt II is design for robust, reliability, Durability under extrem conditions
it got triple control systems, The cockpit is a Titan shell
It's designed to be refueled, rearmed, serviced and repaired with minimal equipment on Field

And what they wanted to replace it ? F-35, now the F-35 became zillion dollar project that's behind how many years ? 
and now new A-X project, this time with meddling Politician in the game...

Scaled Composites ARES is nice concept for lightweight COIN aircraft, disposal after one mission.
or you beliefe it survive a mission that A-10 venture ?

The best thing they can do for moment is go to Northrop-Grumman (rights owner of Fairchild Republic)
and order New A-10, yes order new ones !  why change a success story ? 
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