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Offline hesham

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #60 on: September 24, 2018, 03:39:11 am »
This project probably fits into several other threads, too, a VTOL
version of the C-130 Hercules, designed by Rockwell.
It was intended to use the thrust-augmented concept, as in the   
XFV-12, and my have failed in the same way !
(from Aviation Week 1975 14-21)

A clearer views;

http://archive.aviationweek.com/search?exactphrase=true&QueryTerm=general+electric+sTOL&start=240&rows=20&DocType=Article&Sort=&SortOrder=&startdate=1916-08-01&enddate=2018-09-17&LastViewIssueKey=&LastViewPage=

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #61 on: September 24, 2018, 11:27:38 am »
Many a year ago (summer of 1972 to be exact) Lockheed had a display at the Turin Air Show with a three-view of a proposed V/STOL C-130 variant powered by four Pegasus engines.  I do not believe I have seen anything about that since.  It would be nice to know more about it.

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #62 on: September 24, 2018, 03:55:55 pm »
One of Lockheed's March 1972 AMST submissions had a C-130 fuselage and thrust-vectoring. Maybe that was it? Fairchild also submitted a Pegasus-engined deisng for AMST.

STOL Progenitors: The Technology Path to a Large STOL Transport and the C-17A, Bill Norton, AIAA, 2002, page 51

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #63 on: September 24, 2018, 09:55:48 pm »
Could be.  It was a long time ago and my memory is a bit faded.  That does sound right, though.  Is that reference readily available?  It sounds like one I definitely would like.

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #64 on: September 25, 2018, 12:42:58 pm »
Could have been this one...maybe

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #65 on: September 25, 2018, 01:52:58 pm »
AW.681 . . . is that you ?     ;D   ::)


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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #66 on: September 25, 2018, 01:54:48 pm »
Very nice Stephan!

Evan: Bill Norton's book is available on Amazon ... but for silly money  :P  https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1563475766/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i6
Some pages are available on Google Books.

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #67 on: September 25, 2018, 11:16:32 pm »
Now that's one hell of an idea... an Hercules with four Harrier engines. the kind of "what didn't we thought about it before" idea. Although hot gas re-ingestion isues might be... interesting. Or maybe not: it is a STOL and not VTOL. No compressor, cold air.
A SHAR engine was barely ten ton thrust so four of them should be able to lift 40 tons. A Hercules is far heavier than that. So STOL makes more sense than VTOL.   
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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #68 on: September 26, 2018, 01:30:08 am »
STOL with any kind of load like the C-130 makes more sense than VTOL, an engine out situation is a scary scenario in that the ability to transition would be completely impossible so crew/aircraft/load loss would be inevitable.

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #69 on: September 26, 2018, 02:18:23 am »
Would have been useful for "credible sport" - the C-130 that was to land in Teheran stadium to land commandos and free the hostages. In place of it they tried to put retrorockets... and it ended pretty badly.
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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #70 on: September 26, 2018, 06:06:13 am »
Could have been this one...maybe

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Nice find Stevoe,and yes it was AMST proposal.

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Re: C-130 V/STOL modification projects
« Reply #71 on: September 28, 2018, 01:02:00 pm »
Here some more pictures, but I don't know where I found this...

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