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Offline Schneiderman

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #75 on: September 25, 2016, 05:26:09 am »
The publication date for Beyond the Spitfire in the US is 1st October but it looks like it may already be available from some dealers

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #76 on: November 05, 2016, 08:03:52 am »
Why was Type 178 used for so many different designs?

What weights and size was the 01 Civil Mail Carrier proposal?
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #77 on: November 05, 2016, 08:56:35 am »
I believe the number of concepts/projects in Type 178 reflects the slight hiatus within the company as Vickers took control of the business. Vickers did something similar with Type 153, which includes at least three different Vickers projects.

Only the basic layout drawings have survived for these Supermarine concepts and projects and they generally lack details on size and weight, unfortunately.


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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #78 on: November 05, 2016, 09:08:55 am »

Only the basic layout drawings have survived for these Supermarine concepts and projects and they generally lack details on size and weight, unfortunately.

Pity as the mail carrier design does look quite interesting.

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #79 on: December 01, 2016, 12:42:43 am »
Finally finished reading this - excellent work - I don't think anyone's ever going to top it in terms of detail. Can we get a companion volume that consists entirely of Matt Painter renders of pre-war Supermarine flying boats?

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #80 on: December 01, 2016, 03:33:54 am »
Many thanks, I'm glad you enjoyed it.
The original plan was for Matt to provide all of the rendered illustrations in the colour section of the book but work pressure meant he ran out of time and I had to step in and rush through a bunch of simplified versions of my own. They are well short of his standard but seem the stand up quite well in the book, so I'm quite chuffed. Having done that it encouraged me to keep on learning and have produced a number of new models, some of which will probably end up being published in time as they illustrate articles I have written for magazines. As for Matt, he certainly had some grand ideas for the book so it would be nice to see them completed and made available in some form.

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #81 on: December 01, 2016, 05:43:10 am »
Can you give us a bit more info Schneiderman in which mag.s
an when your articles will be published ?
Thanks..

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #82 on: December 01, 2016, 05:57:34 am »
Once publication is confirmed I'll let you know, there are three articles in the queue.  The first one is likely to be about a Supermarine project pre-Mitchell
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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #83 on: December 01, 2016, 07:09:13 am »
Good Day All!

I bought the book as well thru Book Depository (excellent price and speedy delivery - I'm in the U.S.) and thoroughly enjoyed it.  Fascinating designs, drawings and artwork - well done!

Totally agree on Matt's artwork - would love to see more of it.  Will you be using unpublished artwork in the articles?

Thanks for the time and effort to author this excellent title!

Enjoy the Day!  Mark

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #84 on: December 01, 2016, 07:44:26 am »
Thanks Mark
Yes the three articles I have written feature new rendered images I have produced of previously unseen or unusual British aircraft projects, from the period 1917 to 1938.

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Re: Beyond the Spitfire - The Unseen Designs of R J Mitchell by Ralph Pegram
« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2016, 01:19:15 pm »
Review by David Legg in The Catalina News issue 86

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No it is a concept for a heavy bomber to spec. B.1/35 that was abandoned in favour of Vickers' Warwick.  Some of the ideas were carried forward for the Type 316 bomber to spec. B12/36.

Do you have any dimensions and estimated performance figures for the Supermarine B.1/35 spec?

Given how cramped and uncomfortable things look for the gunners, got to wonder how useful the armament would have actually been and whether or not the design could have formed the basis of a fast unarmed bomber.
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Unfortunately no details available. The surviving drawing is little more than a quick sketch, one of at least four alternative schemes and the others are all missing.
It is indeed unreasonably cramped for the crew, especially the gunners as you say, and would obviously have been rejected had it been tendered. The real interest lies in its similarity to Boeing projects of that time and the features that were carried forward for the Type 316. It would indeed have been interesting to see a down-scaled derivative.

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Where do you get the drawings shown in the various posts from?

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No single source, there's plenty of original material out there if you look