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Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:50:27 pm »
I'll start this thread in an attempt to find answers to question as "Is this aircraft real ?" easier.
If you find a type, that has been proved to be a fake, please post it here with a subject telling
the asserted manufacturer and type. In the post please give the source you found it, feel free
to attach a picture, as sometimes the designation alone may not be that clear.
- As posts are sorted chronologically only, I'll start a list at the beginning of this thread, which I'll
complete successively.




List of fakes,
sorted by country of origin and manufacturer:

Bulgaria:
- MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber


China:
- Stealth fighter, delta canard

Czechoslovakia :
Avia
- Av-52 "Nikola Šuhaj"
- LetovL-115 Delfin


France:
Aérospatiale
- F-0104-91 Canard Helicopter

Morane Saulnier
- MS.954
 
Payen
- Pa.46/6 "Bourrasque" (twin-engined record airacrft/racer)


SNCASE
- SE.8000/SE.8200 Hirondelle

Germany:


Akaflieg Berlin
- B-X

Heinkel
- Heinkel He-162 S-2 (NOT to be mixed up with the He 162 training glider !)
- Heinkel He 117/He 536 /He X

Horten
 - Horten Rocket Fighter with Parabolic Wing


Junkers
-
Junkers Ju 225 (see Klagenfurt 225)

- Klagenfurt
- Klagenfurt 225 (or Junkers Ju 225)

Messerschmitt
- Me 115

Krupp-Germania
- Krupp-Germania Ks.Ib
 
Lippisch
- “Gleiter Bombenflugzeug”
 

Great Britain:

de Havilland
- Fireguard missile

Fairey
- Swordfish Turboprop conversion

- "Green Meat" missile

Gloster
-
G.45 Sea Meteor FSN.6
-
SS.39 Gannet
-
SS.40 Skipper I
- SS.42 Skipper II

Saunders Roe
- Saro M.7

- 6-engined Saro P.192


Hungary:


XN-1 "Cameleon" jet fighter

Italy:

Reggiane
- Re 2007 Jet Fighter
 
 
Japan:

 
Kawasaki
- Ki-45-Kai with Lichtenstein radar

Kugisho
- Kugisho 16-Shi carrier fighter

Nakajima
- Nakajima "Gus"
- Nakajima Ki-115-II

Suzukaze
- Suzukaze 20 "Omar"
unknown manufacturer
- S-31 Kurowashi
- T.K. 19

Soviet Union/Russia
Cheranovski
 - BICh-19

Kalinin
- enlarged Kalinin K-7, "flying battleship"
 
MiG
- MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber (Bulgaria)

 
Myasishchev
- M-13 Bomber

Polikarpov
- I-188 M-95


Sukhoi
- Su-44

Tupolev
- Tu-200

US:
Boeing
- Boeing 507

Super Dynamics International
- 04-1B Robin

 
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Reggiane Re.2007
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 10:54:29 pm »
Original source: L'Ala magazine February 1948
 
mentioned :http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,835.0.html
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Morane-Saulnier MS.954
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2012, 11:16:00 pm »
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He 279/519/536/X
« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2012, 11:59:00 pm »
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Payen Pa.46/6 "Bourrasque"
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2012, 03:25:02 am »
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 03:50:03 am »
Super Dynamics International 04-1B Robin

Original source: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%200950.html
Current source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_J97
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11694.0



Klagenfurt Kf 255
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°43, page 2
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°44



Kawa Sori
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°89, page 42
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°90



Suzuki 18-Shi MXS 12
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°113, page 20
 Current source: http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/july/new-releases/book_sub-ac.htm
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°114



North American T-6 "Exo-Seven" floatplane
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°125 page 58
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°126



Monaco Airways Lysander
Original source: Le Fana de l'aviation n°173, page 40
Current source: http://documentation.museeairespace.fr/ListDocument.php?line_0[value]=10672606&line_0[field]=auteur&typerec=Index
Debunking: Le Fana de l'aviation n°174


(more stuff coming up)
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 03:57:05 am »
Lippisch "Gleiter Bombenflugzeug" (glide bomber)

Original source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk (no longer accessible) and several others
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5828.0



Kugisho 16-Shi carrier fighter

Original source: http://www.warbirds.jp/kakuki/kaksei/16-shi_2.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,661.msg86123.html#msg86123
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,661.msg109762.html#msg109762



Hotelicopter

Original source: no longer available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9365.0



Conwing L-16 "Sea Duck"

Original source: http://kungaloosh2.sakraft.com/book/1-82.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg124377.html#msg124377



Messerschmitt Me-109TL.I single-jet "Gustav"

Original source: http://www.klueser.eu/graphwindow.php?index=1178
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg122217.html#msg122217



Focke-Wulf Fw 190J V.89

Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Focke-Wulf Fw 190J V.90

Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
 Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Focke-Wulf Fw 190Z V.1

Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Hughes-Kaiser HK-2

Original source: http://www.aeroknow.com/USAFM.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg65092.html#msg65092



Lockheed ATF

Original source: Bill Gunston's Stealth Airplanes (from Osprey Publishing)
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg75623.html#msg75623



Chengdu J-14 stealth fighter

Original source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600141/posts?page=9
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4185.0
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9032.0



Beech AT-34D COIN aircraft

Original source: not available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2013.0



(more stuff coming up)
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 04:07:13 am »
North American "mid-engined Mustang"

Original source: not available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg121649.html#msg121649
In Green's "Fighters" vol 4 p 141 ,there is a photo of the mock-up of a Mustang fitted with a RR Merlin aft of the cockpit : " y " is not a what-if , but a serious project.
I have a copy of William Green's "Fighters" vol 4, will scan image. Real project.
<edit> Found an image here.
<edit>Added William Green's image.
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 04:15:01 am »
Feng LY-66 "Fuchou" ("Vengeance") twin-boom heavy fighter ("Fouke-60")

Original source: http://alternatehistory.net/Discussion/showthread.php?t=93020&page=2
Original source: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86560&page=4
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8059.0



Airbus A390

Original source: unavailable
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4215.0



Messerschmitt Me 115

Original source: wartime identification manuals
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0



Italian UAV display team

Original source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/01/340168/pictures-farnborough-beckons-for-italian-uav-display-team.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10578.0



Von Braun rocket interceptor

Original source: numerous
 Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6496.0
(NOTE: some doubt remains as to this project)



Boeing 507

Original source: https://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66699&page=5
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5769.0


McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 canard derivative

Original source: unavailable
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5917.0



Saro M.7 delta-wing flying boat

Original source: 'The Net', a British movie directed by Anthony Asquith
Debunking: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1953/1953%20-%200135.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4298.0


Northrop/Loral F-19A Specter
Original source: http://www.infomercantile.com/-/Northrop-Loral_F-19A_Specter
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3704.msg89491.html#msg89491




Chinese hy-9 future transport aircraft

Original source: http://media.photobucket.com/image/Hy-9%20TRANSPORT%20AIRCRAFT/DemonLordRazgriz/Belkaland%20military/Hy-9.jpg
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9285.0



Suzukaze 20 (Allied code: "Omar")
Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/suzukaze.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.0



Nakajima AT27 (Allied code: "Gus")
Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/at27.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg51117.html#msg51117
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4848.0.html



T.K.19
Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
 Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/tk19.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg51117.html#msg51117



S-31 "Kurowashi" ("Black Eagle")

Original source: unknown
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg60906.html#msg60906
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 08:56:44 am »
Bill Gunston's Lockheed ATF is not correct.

From the original source: Osprey Combat Aircraft Series 13. Stealth Warplanes. 1988 page 26

Quote
Lockheed CSRIS aircraft, which the author suggest could be designated by USAF as the AR-19A, or even the RS-19A

So which the author attempted to describe was the Lockheed F-117.

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 01:54:58 pm »
Remember, there was a genuine canard Hornet derivative, part of the Hornet 2000 programme...


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,367.msg2312.html#msg2312


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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 09:49:54 pm »
Folks, thanks for your participation, I'm completing the list.
Please, could you do me a favour ?
 
- Mention the country of origin in your post.
 
- Please think twice, if it really is proved to be a fake and if so, was it ever taken for
  serious in any publication or website ?
 
Thanks
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 02:13:23 pm »
What makes this one particularly bad is that there was a genuine He 162S variant; from 'Warplanes of the Third Reich' :-


"...the He 162 V16 and V17...were respectively the first and second prototypes for the He 162S training glider. With the engine removed and asecond cockpit...the He 162S had an enlarged wing and vertical tail surfaces. The undercarriage was fixed in the down position..."


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note added to the He 162 entry
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