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Offline Jemiba

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Tupolev Tu-200 bomber
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2012, 02:05:32 am »
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Horten Rocket Wing (1945)
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2013, 01:11:34 am »
original source:Probably "from a January 1948 memo regarding UFOs and whether the Hortens had anything to do with them"

mentioned:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6730.0.html
                  http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/HortenRocketWingPage.htm


 
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2013, 12:47:21 pm »
No Heinkel "T" ? (Stippa as a jet bomber  source : La Science et la Vie around 1946) No T-Rakete ? (mis-drawn Trieblugel with fixed wings source : various Allied magazines 1945-1950)

No Schriever saucer ?????

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2013, 01:20:04 pm »
Couple of guided weapons for the black list

Green Meat - source: RAF Yearbook 1976 (quite well known this one)

Fireguard - de Havilland IR-guided AAM - source: De Havilland Gazette,mid Fifties.

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2013, 02:57:27 am »
Couple of guided weapons for the black list

Green Meat - source: RAF Yearbook 1976 (quite well known this one)

Fireguard - de Havilland IR-guided AAM - source: De Havilland Gazette,mid Fifties.

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2013, 04:21:04 am »
No Heinkel "T" ? (Stippa as a jet bomber  source : La Science et la Vie around 1946) No T-Rakete ? (mis-drawn Trieblugel with fixed wings source : various Allied magazines 1945-1950)

No Schriever saucer ??? ??

JCC

We had the "Heinkel T" here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1093.15.html,
but without a final conclusion.
About the  "T-Rakete", are there any pictures, ust to make clear, what the notice in the list stands for ?
With regards to the "Schriever Flying Saucer" and other stuff of that kind, I don't know, if we shall
include it here, as we probably would end up with "Haunebu Flugscheiben" and similar BS.
Opinions ?

Have added Green Meat and Fireguard to the list. Do we know, which was the stated manufacturer of
Green Meat ?
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2013, 07:33:16 pm »
I'd like to hear more about this Green Meat. Enlighten me.
In God we trust, all others we monitor. :-p

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2013, 07:46:46 pm »
Hi,


I found on Internet,many fake designs to Cheranovski BICh-19 aircraft.


Looks like what Kenneth Arnold saw near Mt Rainier, crescent shaped "ufo's". Maybe was an earlier German design?

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Myasishchev M-13
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 05:26:12 am »
mentioned :http://www.defence.pk/forums/air-warfare/75408-combat-aircraft-projects-designs-index-2nd-post-34.html
               http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18709.0.html
 
original source (probably): "Russian Civil & Military Aircraft 1884-1969" by Nowarra/Duval
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2013, 12:16:00 pm »
 ;D

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2013, 01:08:09 pm »
I want one.
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2013, 04:53:15 pm »
Considering one of our fellow members fell for the SE 8200 (and since I'm the one behind it...) I thought I should have these listed here:
  • SNCASE SE 8000 Hirondelle
  • SNCASE SE 8200 Hirondelle II
... completely FAKE French versions of the Messerschmitt Me 262!!!  ;D

There sure is an element of pride when a creation gets mistaken for something real... but I still feel sorry for confusing even respected members of our community with my inventions!  :(

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2013, 12:17:25 pm »
I was preparing the list..  ;D

Most important of all is:
Sergio Govi , Dal Re 2002 al Re 2005, Giorgio Apostolo Editore 1984 and
Sergio Govi I Reggiane dall'A alla Z - Giorgio Apostolo Editore 1985
bth are long out of rpint, but there is a CD-ROM editon. You can order directly to Giorgio on http://www.apostoloeditore.it

First diffusion of the fake was via
Piero Prato I Caccia Caproni Reggiane 1938-1945, Intyrama 1968 (text in Italian and english)

A condensed version of the Longhi position, with copies of the letters, both real and fakes is in
Giorgio Evangelisti, Gente dell'Aria 4, Editoriale Olimpia 1997

More info on the uncovering of the fake in
Gregory Alegy, Reggiane Re-2005, Ali d'Italia, La Bancarella Aeonautica Pub. 2001 (text in Italian and english)

The bible on he Re.2006 and derivatives (and more info on the fake) is now:
Alessandro Berteletti  Reggiane Re 2006 Una storia vera - A true History (text in Italian and english) IBN Editore 2002
This is more difficult to find: try http://www.aviolibri.it

Last, from various sources, the AR234's Jumos story can be also found in
Giuseppe Ciampaglia  Dal SAI Ambrosini Sagittario all'Aerfer Leone A history of the first Italian supersonic fighters created by Sergio Stefanutti IBN Editore 2004  same URL as above (text in Italian and english)

Another source must be added: the autobiography of Gen (ret.) Tullio De Prato, chief test pilot for Reggiane during the war. In the book, he literally wrote: "About the Re.2007, myself, the (Reggiane) chief test pilot, has never heard about: it's a tale! (...) The last aircraft projected and built for Reggiane was the Re.2006 (...)" (letter to JP4 Aviation Magazine, that revamped the story, february 1976).
In another letter, Ge. Da Prato wrote quite sarcastic "I could tell some details about the origin (of the fake), but it's no my intention (in this letter)".

Source: Tullio De Prato, Un pilota contadino, Mucchi editore, Modena, 1985.

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2013, 10:49:11 am »

I can't believe that I came all the way here just to post this...
So, here we go, Payen PA46 is under design RIGHT NOW. So is the Savoia S21.
if anyone is interested on those projects and/or have more material on Mr Payen's designing msg me on Facebook.
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