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Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« on: March 25, 2012, 10:50:27 pm »
I'll start this thread in an attempt to find answers to question as "Is this aircraft real ?" easier.
If you find a type, that has been proved to be a fake, please post it here with a subject telling
the asserted manufacturer and type. In the post please give the source you found it, feel free
to attach a picture, as sometimes the designation alone may not be that clear.
- As posts are sorted chronologically only, I'll start a list at the beginning of this thread, which I'll
complete successively.




List of fakes,
sorted by country of origin and manufacturer:

Bulgaria:
- MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber


China:
- Stealth fighter, delta canard

Czechoslovakia :
Avia
- Av-52 "Nikola Šuhaj"
- LetovL-115 Delfin


France:
Aérospatiale
- F-0104-91 Canard Helicopter

Morane Saulnier
- MS.954
 
Payen
- Pa.46/6 "Bourrasque" (twin-engined record airacrft/racer)


SNCASE
- SE.8000/SE.8200 Hirondelle

Germany:


Akaflieg Berlin
- B-X

Heinkel
- Heinkel He-162 S-2 (NOT to be mixed up with the He 162 training glider !)
- Heinkel He 117/He 536 /He X

Horten
 - Horten Rocket Fighter with Parabolic Wing


Junkers
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Junkers Ju 225 (see Klagenfurt 225)

- Klagenfurt
- Klagenfurt 225 (or Junkers Ju 225)

Messerschmitt
- Me 115

Krupp-Germania
- Krupp-Germania Ks.Ib
 
Lippisch
- “Gleiter Bombenflugzeug”
 

Great Britain:

de Havilland
- Fireguard missile

- "Green Meat" missile

Gloster
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G.45 Sea Meteor FSN.6
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SS.39 Gannet
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SS.40 Skipper I
- SS.42 Skipper II

Saunders Roe
- Saro M.7


Hungary:


XN-1 "Cameleon" jet fighter

Italy:

Reggiane
- Re 2007 Jet Fighter
 
 
Japan:

 
Kawasaki
- Ki-45-Kai with Lichtenstein radar

Kugisho
- Kugisho 16-Shi carrier fighter

Nakajima
- Nakajima "Gus"
- Nakajima Ki-115-II

Suzukaze
- Suzukaze 20 "Omar"
unknown manufacturer
- S-31 Kurowashi
- T.K. 19

Soviet Union/Russia
Cheranovski
 - BICh-19

Kalinin
- enlarged Kalinin K-7, "flying battleship"
 
MiG
- MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber (Bulgaria)

 
Myasishchev
- M-13 Bomber

Polikarpov
- I-188 M-95


Sukhoi
- Su-44

Tupolev
- Tu-200

US:
Boeing
- Boeing 507

Super Dynamics International
- 04-1B Robin

 
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Reggiane Re.2007
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2012, 10:54:29 pm »
Original source: L'Ala magazine February 1948
 
mentioned :http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,835.0.html
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Morane-Saulnier MS.954
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Payen Pa.46/6 "Bourrasque"
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2012, 03:50:03 am »
Super Dynamics International 04-1B Robin

Original source: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1976/1976%20-%200950.html
Current source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_J97
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11694.0



Klagenfurt Kf 255
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°43, page 2
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°44



Kawa Sori
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°89, page 42
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°90



Suzuki 18-Shi MXS 12
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°113, page 20
 Current source: http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/july/new-releases/book_sub-ac.htm
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°114



North American T-6 "Exo-Seven" floatplane
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°125 page 58
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°126



Monaco Airways Lysander
Original source: Le Fana de l'aviation n°173, page 40
Current source: http://documentation.museeairespace.fr/ListDocument.php?line_0[value]=10672606&line_0[field]=auteur&typerec=Index
Debunking: Le Fana de l'aviation n°174


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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2012, 03:57:05 am »
Lippisch "Gleiter Bombenflugzeug" (glide bomber)

Original source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk (no longer accessible) and several others
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5828.0



Kugisho 16-Shi carrier fighter

Original source: http://www.warbirds.jp/kakuki/kaksei/16-shi_2.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,661.msg86123.html#msg86123
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,661.msg109762.html#msg109762



Hotelicopter

Original source: no longer available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9365.0



Conwing L-16 "Sea Duck"

Original source: http://kungaloosh2.sakraft.com/book/1-82.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg124377.html#msg124377



Messerschmitt Me-109TL.I single-jet "Gustav"

Original source: http://www.klueser.eu/graphwindow.php?index=1178
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg122217.html#msg122217



Focke-Wulf Fw 190J V.89

Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Focke-Wulf Fw 190J V.90

Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
 Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Focke-Wulf Fw 190Z V.1

Original source: http://modelingmadness.com/others/features/baker190x/baker190x.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,11351.0



Hughes-Kaiser HK-2

Original source: http://www.aeroknow.com/USAFM.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg65092.html#msg65092



Lockheed ATF

Original source: Bill Gunston's Stealth Airplanes (from Osprey Publishing)
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg75623.html#msg75623



Chengdu J-14 stealth fighter

Original source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1600141/posts?page=9
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4185.0
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9032.0



Beech AT-34D COIN aircraft

Original source: not available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2013.0



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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2012, 04:07:13 am »
North American "mid-engined Mustang"

Original source: not available
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5933.msg121649.html#msg121649
In Green's "Fighters" vol 4 p 141 ,there is a photo of the mock-up of a Mustang fitted with a RR Merlin aft of the cockpit : " y " is not a what-if , but a serious project.
I have a copy of William Green's "Fighters" vol 4, will scan image. Real project.
<edit> Found an image here.
<edit>Added William Green's image.
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2012, 04:15:01 am »
Feng LY-66 "Fuchou" ("Vengeance") twin-boom heavy fighter ("Fouke-60")

Original source: http://alternatehistory.net/Discussion/showthread.php?t=93020&page=2
Original source: http://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=86560&page=4
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8059.0



Airbus A390

Original source: unavailable
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4215.0



Messerschmitt Me 115

Original source: wartime identification manuals
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4212.0



Italian UAV display team

Original source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/01/340168/pictures-farnborough-beckons-for-italian-uav-display-team.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10578.0



Von Braun rocket interceptor

Original source: numerous
 Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6496.0
(NOTE: some doubt remains as to this project)



Boeing 507

Original source: https://www.herogames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=66699&page=5
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5769.0


McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 canard derivative

Original source: unavailable
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,5917.0



Saro M.7 delta-wing flying boat

Original source: 'The Net', a British movie directed by Anthony Asquith
Debunking: http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1953/1953%20-%200135.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4298.0


Northrop/Loral F-19A Specter

Original source: http://www.infomercantile.com/-/Northrop-Loral_F-19A_Specter
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,3704.msg89491.html#msg89491




Chinese hy-9 future transport aircraft

Original source: http://media.photobucket.com/image/Hy-9%20TRANSPORT%20AIRCRAFT/DemonLordRazgriz/Belkaland%20military/Hy-9.jpg
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,9285.0



Suzukaze 20 (Allied code: "Omar")

Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/suzukaze.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.0



Nakajima AT27 (Allied code: "Gus")

Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/at27.htm
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg51117.html#msg51117
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,4848.0.html



T.K.19

Original source: wartime identification manuals and magazines
 Debunking: http://www.j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_files/tk19.html
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg51117.html#msg51117



S-31 "Kurowashi" ("Black Eagle")

Original source: unknown
Debunking: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6205.msg60906.html#msg60906
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2012, 08:56:44 am »
Bill Gunston's Lockheed ATF is not correct.

From the original source: Osprey Combat Aircraft Series 13. Stealth Warplanes. 1988 page 26

Quote
Lockheed CSRIS aircraft, which the author suggest could be designated by USAF as the AR-19A, or even the RS-19A

So which the author attempted to describe was the Lockheed F-117.

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2012, 01:54:58 pm »
Remember, there was a genuine canard Hornet derivative, part of the Hornet 2000 programme...


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,367.msg2312.html#msg2312


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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2012, 09:49:54 pm »
Folks, thanks for your participation, I'm completing the list.
Please, could you do me a favour ?
 
- Mention the country of origin in your post.
 
- Please think twice, if it really is proved to be a fake and if so, was it ever taken for
  serious in any publication or website ?
 
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2012, 02:13:23 pm »
What makes this one particularly bad is that there was a genuine He 162S variant; from 'Warplanes of the Third Reich' :-


"...the He 162 V16 and V17...were respectively the first and second prototypes for the He 162S training glider. With the engine removed and asecond cockpit...the He 162S had an enlarged wing and vertical tail surfaces. The undercarriage was fixed in the down position..."


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note added to the He 162 entry
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Letov L.115 "Delfin"
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2012, 06:44:05 am »
Original source : "Rozlet" magazine, April 1947

mentioned :"Flying" magazine, February 1951, various online sources
see: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10469.15.html
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Avia AV.52
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2012, 06:45:10 am »
Original source : "Rozlet" magazine, April 1947
 
 mentioned :"Flying" magazine, February 1951, various online sources
 see: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,10469.15.html
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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2012, 07:10:39 am »
MiG-19 fake from Reichdreams Nº19

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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2012, 07:25:54 am »
Unknown german source

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2012, 12:16:05 am »
A new fake has appeared on the forum this week:

Kawasaki Ki-45-Kai with Lichtenstein radar
http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,14964.0


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Junkers-Klagenfurt KLF 225
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2012, 11:47:48 am »
Original source: Fana de l'Aviation, N°43

Mentioned :http://www.unicraft.biz/index.html
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« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2012, 09:06:11 am »
Hi,


I found on Internet,many fake designs to Cheranovski BICh-19 aircraft.

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« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2012, 02:25:59 pm »
The "parabolic" model is by RussC1, an online pal who used to do some awesome stuff until he got all fired up for... dragons!

http://russc1.deviantart.com/

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2012, 04:20:14 pm »
Hello hesham, can you tell us the source ? Then I would add it to the "fake blacklist" ..


Sorry my dear Jemiba,


I can't remember from where sites.

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« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2012, 03:19:57 pm »
I vaguely remember that Bell "Jet Cobra"  from a period advertisement.

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Sukhoi Su-44
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2012, 05:54:06 am »
original Source : Aviation&Cosmonautics magazine, Aviatsiya i Kosmonotika and Aviatsiya

mentioned: http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,15071.0.html
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Tupolev Tu-200 bomber
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Horten Rocket Wing (1945)
« Reply #31 on: January 22, 2013, 01:11:34 am »
original source:Probably "from a January 1948 memo regarding UFOs and whether the Hortens had anything to do with them"

mentioned:http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,6730.0.html
                  http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/HortenRocketWingPage.htm


 
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« Reply #32 on: January 23, 2013, 12:47:21 pm »
No Heinkel "T" ? (Stippa as a jet bomber  source : La Science et la Vie around 1946) No T-Rakete ? (mis-drawn Trieblugel with fixed wings source : various Allied magazines 1945-1950)

No Schriever saucer ?????

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« Reply #33 on: January 23, 2013, 01:20:04 pm »
Couple of guided weapons for the black list

Green Meat - source: RAF Yearbook 1976 (quite well known this one)

Fireguard - de Havilland IR-guided AAM - source: De Havilland Gazette,mid Fifties.

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« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2013, 02:57:27 am »
Couple of guided weapons for the black list

Green Meat - source: RAF Yearbook 1976 (quite well known this one)

Fireguard - de Havilland IR-guided AAM - source: De Havilland Gazette,mid Fifties.

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Re: Fake aircraft and aircraft projects (Blacklist !)
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2013, 04:21:04 am »
No Heinkel "T" ? (Stippa as a jet bomber  source : La Science et la Vie around 1946) No T-Rakete ? (mis-drawn Trieblugel with fixed wings source : various Allied magazines 1945-1950)

No Schriever saucer ??? ??

JCC

We had the "Heinkel T" here http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,1093.15.html,
but without a final conclusion.
About the  "T-Rakete", are there any pictures, ust to make clear, what the notice in the list stands for ?
With regards to the "Schriever Flying Saucer" and other stuff of that kind, I don't know, if we shall
include it here, as we probably would end up with "Haunebu Flugscheiben" and similar BS.
Opinions ?

Have added Green Meat and Fireguard to the list. Do we know, which was the stated manufacturer of
Green Meat ?
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« Reply #36 on: February 12, 2013, 07:33:16 pm »
I'd like to hear more about this Green Meat. Enlighten me.
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« Reply #37 on: February 12, 2013, 07:46:46 pm »
Hi,


I found on Internet,many fake designs to Cheranovski BICh-19 aircraft.


Looks like what Kenneth Arnold saw near Mt Rainier, crescent shaped "ufo's". Maybe was an earlier German design?

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« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2013, 05:26:12 am »
mentioned :http://www.defence.pk/forums/air-warfare/75408-combat-aircraft-projects-designs-index-2nd-post-34.html
               http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,18709.0.html
 
original source (probably): "Russian Civil & Military Aircraft 1884-1969" by Nowarra/Duval
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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2013, 12:16:00 pm »
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« Reply #41 on: May 24, 2013, 01:08:09 pm »
I want one.
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« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2013, 04:53:15 pm »
Considering one of our fellow members fell for the SE 8200 (and since I'm the one behind it...) I thought I should have these listed here:
  • SNCASE SE 8000 Hirondelle
  • SNCASE SE 8200 Hirondelle II
... completely FAKE French versions of the Messerschmitt Me 262!!!  ;D

There sure is an element of pride when a creation gets mistaken for something real... but I still feel sorry for confusing even respected members of our community with my inventions!  :(

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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2013, 12:17:25 pm »
I was preparing the list..  ;D

Most important of all is:
Sergio Govi , Dal Re 2002 al Re 2005, Giorgio Apostolo Editore 1984 and
Sergio Govi I Reggiane dall'A alla Z - Giorgio Apostolo Editore 1985
bth are long out of rpint, but there is a CD-ROM editon. You can order directly to Giorgio on http://www.apostoloeditore.it

First diffusion of the fake was via
Piero Prato I Caccia Caproni Reggiane 1938-1945, Intyrama 1968 (text in Italian and english)

A condensed version of the Longhi position, with copies of the letters, both real and fakes is in
Giorgio Evangelisti, Gente dell'Aria 4, Editoriale Olimpia 1997

More info on the uncovering of the fake in
Gregory Alegy, Reggiane Re-2005, Ali d'Italia, La Bancarella Aeonautica Pub. 2001 (text in Italian and english)

The bible on he Re.2006 and derivatives (and more info on the fake) is now:
Alessandro Berteletti  Reggiane Re 2006 Una storia vera - A true History (text in Italian and english) IBN Editore 2002
This is more difficult to find: try http://www.aviolibri.it

Last, from various sources, the AR234's Jumos story can be also found in
Giuseppe Ciampaglia  Dal SAI Ambrosini Sagittario all'Aerfer Leone A history of the first Italian supersonic fighters created by Sergio Stefanutti IBN Editore 2004  same URL as above (text in Italian and english)

Another source must be added: the autobiography of Gen (ret.) Tullio De Prato, chief test pilot for Reggiane during the war. In the book, he literally wrote: "About the Re.2007, myself, the (Reggiane) chief test pilot, has never heard about: it's a tale! (...) The last aircraft projected and built for Reggiane was the Re.2006 (...)" (letter to JP4 Aviation Magazine, that revamped the story, february 1976).
In another letter, Ge. Da Prato wrote quite sarcastic "I could tell some details about the origin (of the fake), but it's no my intention (in this letter)".

Source: Tullio De Prato, Un pilota contadino, Mucchi editore, Modena, 1985.

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« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2013, 10:49:11 am »

I can't believe that I came all the way here just to post this...
So, here we go, Payen PA46 is under design RIGHT NOW. So is the Savoia S21.
if anyone is interested on those projects and/or have more material on Mr Payen's designing msg me on Facebook.
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2013, 10:58:51 am »
original source : Aeroclub-Magazin April 1960

mentioned in the GST magazine and some other contemporary publications.
Started as an April fool, but taken seriously !
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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2013, 02:43:16 pm »
Discussing the CC.2 in the Campini projects thread, the talk went on the Re.2007, a notorious fake. Since there is some interest in this and it seems that the "fekeness" ot the Re.2007 is not widely aknowledged, I give here a (somewhat lenghty explanation). Since we are in Secret projects, I attached some projects draft to helm me summarize the matter. Here we go.  Afinal warning: nothing of what follows is true: Italian aviation historians alla gree on this version since at least the late '80s...
What follows is the story of the Re2007. Story, not history, since the Re 2007 as is widely, and incorrectly, known, i.e. a late war prototype fighter powered by a Jumo jet engine, is a fantasy (even if the right word is "fake"...). First the facts and then the interpretation of them, since even fakes are done for a purpose, freak as it could look.
Just after the war italian aviation buffs knew that the Re.2007 existed and the way it looked. A perspective view is in picture 1, as published in the magazine "L'Ala" in February 1948. Actually, first mention of this project comes from a report written by Ing. Alessio, General Manager of Reggiane, in late 1945, describing the projects that were well advanced: this particular project was a mail and six passenger transport. Alessio described it as a derivative of the Re.2005, but in reality it derived from the Re.2000 and had a radial engine (see picture 4). Same article in L'Ala described also a Re.2008 like a racer derived from the Re.2005 (pic 2). Alessio didn't mention this but instead a single engine, single crew postal plane, wich was similary derived by the R.2005. In fact this was a straightforward derivative of the Re.2000 with a P&W or Wright 1500 Hp water-cooled radial (pic 3). Alessio described a third desing, a translatlantic flying boat, i.e the Ca.8000.

To summarize: Reggiane general manager said that he had in the wings (literally) a mail carrier, a mail and passenger carrier and a large transport. L'Ala attributed to the second one the Re.2007 designation (probably on Alessio input) and the Re.2008 to the racer.


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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2013, 03:56:24 pm »

 Oh yeah! The group of friends working on this are from Canada, USA, Russia, Japan, Italy, now I need to find some French acquaintances...

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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2013, 08:14:16 pm »
original source: unknown

The Quad Mustang, obviously a fake  :)

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« Reply #49 on: October 25, 2013, 04:29:58 am »
original source: Trait d'Union magazine #136 March-April 1991

mentioned : http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,13770.msg201744.html#new
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« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2014, 06:08:36 am »
Organization of this thread is a little complicated, but until a better solution is found, I'll duplicate here some information I already posted in the Gloster designations topic.

Some totally FAKE Gloster aircraft can be found on the web under the designations "G.45 Sea Meteor FSN.6", "SS.39 Gannet", "SS.40 Skipper I" and "SS.42 Skipper II" (the latter in association with Avro of Canada). NONE of these are genuine. They are part of the Wesworld uchronia (a fantasy by an author who imagines an alternate timeline) and must therefore NOT be taken into consideration.

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« Reply #51 on: January 02, 2014, 05:37:30 am »
Would you believe? A simple search on the word "blacklist" on the entire forum through the search engine does NOT bring up this topic!!!

Anyway, the engine is great otherwise, so I guess we'll have to make do with its occasional whims...  ::)

Here is a complete (but oh so beautiful) fake from Japan: the "Lockheed P-37 Fire Eater"!

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« Reply #52 on: January 02, 2014, 08:12:15 am »
As the creator of those Gloster Wesworld 'fakes' (and many more!), I can only say to everyone, anything you see on Wesworld is fictional, even seemingly real-world names/objects/designations/real never-were's may include elements of fiction.

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« Reply #53 on: January 02, 2014, 08:49:32 am »
Would you believe? A simple search on the word "blacklist" on the entire forum through the search engine does NOT bring up this topic!!!

Seems, you have cured this problem !  ;)
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« Reply #54 on: January 02, 2014, 03:33:27 pm »
As the creator of those Gloster Wesworld 'fakes' (and many more!), I can only say to everyone, anything you see on Wesworld is fictional, even seemingly real-world names/objects/designations/real never-were's may include elements of fiction.

Thanks for setting the record straight! And congratulations on your search for designations that sound authentic. You got me wondering on a couple of occasions (notably on the Meteor 6) and it shows you put a lot of thinking in it, which I can only appreciate since I do the same with my photo-montages of imaginary aircraft! I have toned it down a bit these days however, after realizing my fakes (although clearly labeled as such) were liable to generate confusion with historians in the future, given the way information spreads on the web!

By the way, are your imaginary aircraft purely text creations or did you ever create images for them? I'd be curious to see that!

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« Reply #55 on: January 03, 2014, 03:50:24 am »
Thanks for setting the record straight! And congratulations on your search for designations that sound authentic. You got me wondering on a couple of occasions (notably on the Meteor 6) and it shows you put a lot of thinking in it, which I can only appreciate since I do the same with my photo-montages of imaginary aircraft! I have toned it down a bit these days however, after realizing my fakes (although clearly labeled as such) were liable to generate confusion with historians in the future, given the way information spreads on the web!

By the way, are your imaginary aircraft purely text creations or did you ever create images for them? I'd be curious to see that!

I've drawn a few of them in Shipbucket style (FD-scale) but the majority are modified real aircraft or real never-were's, but some are my own creations. All the relevant illustrations can be found at Wesworld, but you'd need to be a member to see most of them.

Perhaps I'd better include a fuller list to ensure everyone realises the fakes and so these are not mistaken for real project or aircraft (especially if illustrated with real photos and plans). I've not included the Gloster's mentioned above but Stargazer has missed another fake Gloster.

Spitfire F.Mk.IV
Spitfire Trainer T.Mk.VI
Hawker Typhoon IIA
Hawker Tempest F.Mk.I (Napier Sabre), F.Mk.II (RR Griffon), F.Mk.III (RR Vulture), TT.Mk.IV and FB.Mk.VA (Tempest with Typhoon wing); In
Hawker Cyclone F.Mk.I
Vickers-Supermarine Spiteful F.Mk.I and PR.Mk.II and F.Mk.III
Gloster G.39 Gunner (fake name for real G.39)
Boulton Paul P.97 Nighthawk (fake name for real P.97 project)
De Havilland D.H.103 Hornet FB.Mk.I, PR.Mk.II and FR.Mk.III
Vickers Wellington Mk IIIF (fictional IR-sensor equipped nightfighter conversion)
Lysander GR.Mk.III
Fairey Balmoral (fictional land-based Fairey Barracuda)
Fairey Fox II B.Mk.I (fictional land-based Fairey Spearfish)
Wellington B.Mk.IV, B.Mk.V; GR.Mk.VI, B.Mk.VII and GR.Mk.VIII
Boulton Paul P.90 Birmingham (fictional name for real P.90 project)
Bristol 159 Manchester
BCAC (Vickers) Type 601 Windsor B.Mk.III (fictional RR Clyde powered variant)
BCAC (Vickers) Type 497 Westminster B.Mk.I
BCAC (Vickers) Type 507 Westminster B.Mk.II
Fairey Firefly FN.Mk.I and FN.Mk.II (fictional single-seat Firefly)
Vickers-Supermarine Sea Fang FN.Mk.I (fictional Griffon-powered fighter based on Seafire)
Martin-Baker Sea M.B.5 (fictional carrier-based variant)
Blackburn B.44 Firebrand FRN.Mk.I and FRM.Mk.II (fictional development of B.44 project)
Blackburn B.20 Boston (fictional name for real B.20 prototype)
BCAC (Bristol) Type 164 Buccaneer GR.Mk.I (fictional Buckingham variant)
Bristol Type 130 Bermuda (fictional re-naming of Bombay)
Handley Page H.P.89 Hastings C.Mk.II (fictional variant) as is H.P.74 Hermes II airliner
Gloster SS.43 (fictional variable-incidence wing research aircraft)
Gloster G.45 Sea Meteor FSN.Mk.VI
Flettner Fl-282 Hummingbird (fictional name)
ShinRa Aviation CH-2 Liasopod Gyrodyne H.Mk.I (fictional helicopter)
Avro 689 Tudor II, 711 Tudor III, Avro 711A Trader (fictional variants based on real projects)
Avro 700 Ashton (real Avro project but false name)
BCAC (Bristol) Type 174 BC.1 Wayfarer, Type 172 Wayfarer C.Mk.I (fictional variants)
BCAC (Bristol) BC.2 167 Britannia and BC.3 175 Britannia (fictional aircraft)
BCAC (Bristol) 179 BC.4 Super Freighter (fictional but based on real project)
De Havilland DH.97 Ambassador (fictional re-naming of Airspeed AS.57)
General Aviation (UK) Ltd. Tribian Sponson (fake name for real Tribian Sponson project)
General Aviation (UK) Ltd. Aerocar (fake name for Portsmouth Aerocar)
Handley Page H.P.54 Harrow (fictional airliner rather than RAF transport)
Handley Page HP.77 Hampton (fictional)
Miles M.73 Herald (fictional but based on original HP(R) Herald
Saro SR.44 FRN.Mk.I (fictional name for real SR/A.1)
Short S.35 S Class (fictional but based on Shetland)
Short S.45 Solent (fictional)
Short S.32 Sandringham (fictional name for S.32 airliner project)

There are a couple of fake airships too; HMAS No.1 Solaria and HMAS No.2 Olympia; Submarine Scout Pusher (SSP), HMAS No.3; Reconnaissance Scout Class (RS), HMAS No.4 & No.5 and Semi-Rigid Scout Class (RSR), HMAS No.6.

As Argentine player I've devised several wholly fictional types (some of which have already made it onto this site as 'real' projects.

FMA T-514 (fake improved Avro 504 copy)
FMA Llama
FMA I.Ae 1 Guarani
FMA I.Ae 2 and 2T (fake monoplane trainer)
FMA I.Ae 3 and 3T (fake single-seat trainer)
FMA I-100 Barron
FMA I.Ae 4 Courier and 4S torpedo bomber and 4R racer
FMA I.Ae 5 (fictional airliner version of real M.B.2 bomber)
FMA I-01 Buchon
FMA I-02 Pulqui
FMA I.Ae 6T
FMA I.Ae 7 (fictional four-engine airliner)
FMA I.Ae 8 (fictional tourer)
FMA I.Ae 9 (fictional racer)
FMA RP-1 (I.Ae 10) (fictional rocket-powered aircraft)
I.Ae 23 Jaguar
IMPA M.B.1
IMPA SI-21A, SI-21B, SI-21RF, SI-21T and SI-21S
IMPA I-99
IMPA TB-1
Tucan T-17
Tucan T-18 NB-1 and T-18B NB-2


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« Reply #56 on: January 03, 2014, 04:43:24 am »
Wow. That is VERY helpful and I thank you for taking the time to document this.

Being too busy already with the work on this forum and several other activities on the side, I don't think I'd have the time or the incentive to join Wesworld, but I'm sure it must be great.

We have a section here on "Fictional aircraft and theoretical designs", so if ever you so wish, feel free to start a topic to present your creations... ;)

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« Reply #57 on: January 13, 2014, 04:44:22 am »
Hi,


I think this aircraft was also from Blacklist;


http://www.pinterest.com/rodneialquati/aviation-aircrafts/

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« Reply #58 on: January 13, 2014, 05:40:26 am »
I think this aircraft was also from Blacklist

The purpose of "blacklisting" certain projects is to warn people who browse the web about types that SEEM to be real projects while they are in fact the product of someone's imagination. The confusion may stem from the use of a name/designation that resembles a real corporate or military name/designation for example. It could also be the result of a fake image looking a lot like a real one.

The image you posted is not a source of confusion for any historian or researcher. It was not meant to pass off as a real project. It DOES belong in the Theoretical and Speculative Designs section, but it is simply an imaginary, notional design such as hundreds of others that can be found in 1920s and 1930s magazines. It would be perfectly all right in the Imagination of the future from the past page, for instance.

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« Reply #59 on: January 13, 2014, 05:44:30 am »
Hi Stargazer,


it was from Nazi imagination for future aircraft,so I put it in blacklist.

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« Reply #60 on: January 13, 2014, 05:48:31 am »
it was from Nazi imagination for future aircraft,so I put it in blacklist.

You can give me your reasoning but it doesn't change the fact that it's probably not in the best place in this topic.

My advice is that you just post stuff in the other topics and leave the "Blacklist" topic to the moderators. If something seems a possible source of confusion, it will be added here. Jemiba notably has done an excellent job of it so far.

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« Reply #61 on: January 13, 2014, 06:05:19 am »
it was from Nazi imagination for future aircraft,so I put it in blacklist.

You can give me your reasoning but it doesn't change the fact that it's probably not in the best place in this topic.

My advice is that you just post stuff in the other topics and leave the "Blacklist" topic to the moderators. If something seems a possible source of confusion, it will be added here. Jemiba notably has done an excellent job of it so far.


Ok Stargazer.

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« Reply #62 on: March 01, 2014, 01:26:07 am »
pleas remove Bulgaria MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber

the project is legit and real the original article is from the Bulgarian magazine Krile issue 1 from 2009
sorry for my very late response about that project but i thought i cleared it already :)
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« Reply #63 on: March 01, 2014, 03:57:37 am »
pleas remove Bulgaria MiG 15 twin-fuselage fighter bomber

the project is legit and real the original article is from the Bulgarian magazine Krile issue 1 from 2009
sorry for my very late response about that project but i thought i cleared it already :)


Hi Piko 1,


can you send a drawings for it,I saw something like that in old Russian book,but where,
my memory is too bad.

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« Reply #64 on: March 01, 2014, 01:37:59 pm »
i will try my best Hesham i need to contact the publisher i will do that in Monday to see if they have more drawings

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« Reply #65 on: March 01, 2014, 01:51:18 pm »
OK Piko and thank you.

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« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2014, 02:37:30 pm »
translation :
the Articles and photos and drawings are the same as those in issue. 1/2009 of "Club Krile" magazine


so yeh the twin MiG-15 April fool theory is - busted
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« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2014, 01:29:39 pm »
Charles Bombardier Antares

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Antares designed by Charles Bombardier, grandson of Joseph-Armande Bombardier -- founder of, you guessed it, Bombardier. Antares is Bombardier the designer's take on the NASA/CalPoly Amelia powered-lift airliner concept with an injection of DNA from Bombardier the manufacturer's CSeries airliner.

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http://aviationweek.com/blog/designer-airliners
http://charlesbombardier.com/
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« Reply #69 on: May 19, 2014, 05:07:50 am »

In 1968 Interconair Aviation & Marine published the first post-war study in the Reggiane fighter. Piero Prato, the author, tried to untangle all information he presumed to have and  established a new
nomenclature of the late Reggiane projects. During the research a three-view of the Re.2006 prototype was uncovered and so so he went:
Re.2006, Re.2005 derivative with a DB.603 and radiators in the wings
Re.2006P, derivative for mail transport with a liquid cooled radial, intended for post-war
Re.2006PP, derivative for mail a passenger transport with a liquid colled radial and larger fuselage, intended for post-war use
Re.2006C, race-oriented derivative, intended fot he Bendix transcontinental race post-war.
Re.2007, Jumo 004 fighter
Re.2008, unspecified engine Re.2007 evolution, circa 1948



From Flieger Revue 5/1977,


here is in two collections to comparison.
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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2014, 02:22:54 pm »
Hi,


this site has many real aircraft,and a large group of fake and whatif designs;


http://flickeflu.com/groups/69849879@N00

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« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2015, 07:58:33 am »
A pre-emptive entry; The RQH-60M HELODRONE. Essentially an A.I. piloted Black Hawk helicopter used for inserting and extracting special forces.

From the computer game Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon, set in an alternate post-apocalyptic 2007.
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« Reply #72 on: June 29, 2017, 07:55:39 am »
Suzuki 18-Shi MXS 12
Original source: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°113, page 20
 Current source: http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/july/new-releases/book_sub-ac.htm
Debunking: Le Fanatique de l'aviation n°114

Just to know its shape,as a fake aircraft.