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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #106 on: December 08, 2016, 02:10:52 pm »
Interesting, thanks. Pity about the political commentary, prefer straightforward defense analysis
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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #107 on: December 08, 2016, 03:08:51 pm »
"“Status-6 is designed to kill civilians by massive blast and fallout,” he said, noting that such targeting violates the law of armed conflict."

That's just precious.  Somebody actually believes any rules of war would be adhered to in an all out nuclear exchange. 

"“We could even propose a ban on such weapons,” Schneider said. “There is no indication from the Obama administration that any negotiations are underway, or that the U.S. has even raised the issue with Russia.”"

What would be the point?  We have no leverage and Russia is clearly doing whatever it wants to in regards to nuclear weapons at this point.
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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #108 on: December 08, 2016, 04:53:27 pm »
The second is that the Russians are using the 'Madman theory' of psychological warfare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madman_theory). The goal isn't to message to the public, it is to give the impression to world governments and analysts that the Russian regime is unpredictable and irrational in its decisions.

Along these lines I think this weapon makes sense as part of PERIMETR

Or perhaps they want to be seen as the 'reasonable man' in the room?

Maybe we should take them at their word (this once) that it is meant to discourage further development of ABM systems:



It may just be one of the cheapest strategic delivery systems that they could produce on short notice (and motivated by cost savings more then tactical or strategic uses).

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #109 on: December 08, 2016, 07:26:12 pm »
Russia does what it can afford. Why waste money on $Billion Defensive system when you can develop new offensive systems in an asymmetric way to keep the balance of power from tipping too far in one direction. Its a pretty common sense pragmatic approach. Putin seems to be concerned about the danger of the ABM systems causing destabilizing effect on balance of power.

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #110 on: December 10, 2016, 12:27:54 am »
With the rise of crazy on the world stage coupled with increased availability of horrifying WMDs (never mind nukes... imagine what can be done with bioweapons), I believe it's well past time to consider a change in strategy. Rather than trying to come up with a counter to every weapons system imaginable... it's time to colonize the Moon. And Mars. And the skies of Venus. And the asteroids. Fill the sky with habitats all fling the same flag, separated from each other by at least days of travel time. Then complete destruction becomes nearly impossible. And if somebody decides to start popping off nukes in harbors, they can expect a rain of ruin from deep space.

I wholeheartedly agree. When you think of it, there are dozens of billions of >1km objects in Oort cloud and Cuiper belt, more than enough for everyone. We could start with habitats using materials from asteroid field between Mars and Jupiter and go from there. Even if it takes more than 20 years to build the first one. There are more than enough examples of structures on Earth taking centuries to complete; habitats are definitely more useful than cathedrals.

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #111 on: December 12, 2016, 06:57:03 am »
Updated the Sarov article on Covert Shores. http://www.hisutton.com/SAROV-Class_Submarine.html


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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #112 on: March 05, 2018, 09:41:23 am »
So apparently the March 1st speech indicates a secondary anti-carrier group capability... I guess I recanted too soon?

Do you guys think a conventionally armed version would be feasible? Or would it be a waste of time/capacity? (I assume the latter)

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #113 on: March 05, 2018, 10:10:33 am »
Or perhaps they want to be seen as the 'reasonable man' in the room?

How the hell is threatening to nuke everybody with terror weapons (even during the Cold War huge nukes were seen as nothing more) the act of the "reasonable man" in the room?

Maybe we should take them at their word (this once) that it is meant to discourage further development of ABM systems:

Sure, let's appease a blackmailer.  What could possibly go wrong.
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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #114 on: March 06, 2018, 05:32:14 am »
Or perhaps they want to be seen as the 'reasonable man' in the room?

How the hell is threatening to nuke everybody with terror weapons (even during the Cold War huge nukes were seen as nothing more) the act of the "reasonable man" in the room?

Maybe we should take them at their word (this once) that it is meant to discourage further development of ABM systems:

Sure, let's appease a blackmailer.  What could possibly go wrong.

How is this different from the United States threatening to attack North Korea or Iran if they don't do what we want? Anyway, I'm moving this discussion here as it is a more general thread discussing Russian modernisation plans (and presumably motivation for those plans):
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,8304.msg325825.html#msg325825

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #115 on: March 24, 2018, 05:18:40 pm »
How is this different from the United States threatening to attack North Korea or Iran if they don't do what we want?

You mean aside from the fact that both Iran and North Korea have expressed an interest in nuking the US, export terrorism, and are pursuing nuclear weapons, while the US has never threatened Russia that way?
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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #116 on: March 24, 2018, 05:41:33 pm »
How is this different from the United States threatening to attack North Korea or Iran if they don't do what we want?

You mean aside from the fact that both Iran and North Korea have expressed an interest in nuking the US, export terrorism, and are pursuing nuclear weapons, while the US has never threatened Russia that way?

You do realise that the United States had the world's largest nuclear arsenal almost entirely focussed on the Soviet Union, and also supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan (not to mention many other examples)?

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #117 on: March 24, 2018, 06:37:42 pm »
\You do realise that the United States had the world's largest nuclear arsenal almost entirely focussed on the Soviet Union, and also supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan (not to mention many other examples)?

Have we threatened to nuke Russia?  No. 
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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #118 on: March 24, 2018, 07:33:52 pm »
\You do realise that the United States had the world's largest nuclear arsenal almost entirely focussed on the Soviet Union, and also supplied the Mujahideen in Afghanistan (not to mention many other examples)?

Have we threatened to nuke Russia?  No.

From Russian perspective maybe they felt a little threatened about the US Navy presence in the Black sea (the Donald Cook incident among other things) To me that would be like the Russian Navy sailing in the Great Lakes area.

They are also upset about US presence in Syria and "interference" Their ties to Syria being very strong.

They also feel threatened and encircled by NATO and are also upset about Ukraine and general USA Hegemony and "New World Order" constantly promoted by every US President since Bush #1 including Obama.

Given Russia's history of being invaded by foreign aggressors its easy to see they want to be as absolutely deadly as possible to any potential current/future enemy

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Re: Russian 'status-6' nuclear attack system
« Reply #119 on: March 24, 2018, 08:34:05 pm »
From Russian perspective maybe they felt a little threatened about the US Navy presence in the Black sea (the Donald Cook incident among other things) To me that would be like the Russian Navy sailing in the Great Lakes area.

Hardly.  More like the Gulf of Mexico, which they've done numerous times in the past.

They are also upset about US presence in Syria and "interference" Their ties to Syria being very strong.

Which doesn't say, "we're going to nuke you".

Given Russia's history of being invaded by foreign aggressors its easy to see they want to be as absolutely deadly as possible to any potential current/future enemy

Again, that's on them.  We're not saying, "we're going to nuke you".  So no, threatening to nuke the US does not make one the "reasonable person in the room". 
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