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Offline JFC Fuller

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« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2015, 11:20:18 am »
Love it. I especially enjoyed the depth you went into about weapons and radars, I wan't expecting that and it was a very pleasant surprise, especially the radar stuff which is more informative than anything I have seen about UK AI radar in this time-frame.

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« Reply #16 on: November 10, 2015, 11:56:47 am »
Meet the twins - no fancy backdrop Daleks here though I'm afraid, or Lara Croft. Great book(s) - Camm appears to have been a supplier of fantastic quotes, among other things.


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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2015, 01:31:12 pm »
Love it. I especially enjoyed the depth you went into about weapons and radars, I wan't expecting that and it was a very pleasant surprise, especially the radar stuff which is more informative than anything I have seen about UK AI radar in this time-frame.

The little I could find on 'AI 24' surprised an  ex-RRE (Royal Radar Establishment) man who came up to me at Telford and told me he has a brochure on this and had never seen a mention of it anywhere. Hopefully should be getting some more info on that soon :)
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2015, 01:43:30 pm »
Meet the twins - no fancy backdrop Daleks here though I'm afraid, or Lara Croft. Great book(s) - Camm appears to have been a supplier of fantastic quotes, among other things.



Yes, there are more than I could use. Here's Ralph Hooper's favourite 25.

1. "Those at the back cried forward and those at the front cried back." A comment on indecision, usually by Ministries, and a quotation from Horatius on the bridge over the Tiber.

2. "There's only one way to do a job and that's as quickly as you can!" Urging the troops to hasten.

3. "The race is to the swift." A quotation, I believe; purpose as (2).

4. "They can't see our arses for dust." Reference to our competitors.

5. "I am never wrong except when persuaded against my better judgement!" Boasting; sometimes with an element of humour.

6. "It looks like mother done it!" An unfavourable comment on a component or a whole aeroplane.

7. "It looks like mother done it - all pots and pans." A very unfavourable comment on a component or whole aeroplane.

8. "We could design bombers but they couldn't design fighters!" A reference to any of our competitors.

9. "I'm only interested in designing fighters, there's no finesse in anything else." An opinion.

10. "I don't suffer fools gladly - and heaven save me from the share pushers and costicians of this world!" A reference to the commercial and accountancy functions.

11. "When you have designed aeroplanes as long as I have you can see the airflow." Boasting  again.

12. "All my aeroplanes are pilots' aeroplanes, but then all my pilots are designer's pilots." Wish it was that simple.

13. "There's no such thing as a good aircraft engine." Opening gambit to keep 'powerplanters'  in their place.

14. "Complication is ruination!" Other things being equal, few would disagree.

15. "Yesterday I told you to do that; today I'm telling you to do this; and tomorrow I'll tell you to do something else!!" Assertion of the Chief Designer's absolute right to change his mind.

16. "I hope you're working with a proper sense of guilt and shame!" Widely used internally or externally at times when the industry was under criticism by the Government and/or the Press.

17. "Just another bloody Drawing Office aeroplane." Great encouragement for the staff faced with a new prototype about to fly! (If it turned out all right then such remarks would soon be forgotten.)

18. "Every mod. begets a mod." General comment on the tendency for hastily introduced modifications to introduce problems of their own.

19. "You've got to have an 'eye for a line'." An aeroplane should look good.

20. "We've got to 'strike a line'!" Sometimes similar to (19) but also meaning "we've got to find a way ahead' - usually in unclear circumstances.

21. "The evil Air Marshalls...!" Any members of the Air Board who were failing to favour his products.

22. "He's only a journeyman draughtsman!" Don't expect too much from him.

23. "He's only an old sweat!" Don't expect anything from him.

24. "The Navy always treats us as though we were gentlemen!" Occasional approval of the Dark Blues.

25. "Life is real and life is earnest!" A general admonition to greater effort.

26. "Every day's an 'oliday 'ere!" They are still not working hard enough!

27. "We've tried efficiency - and that doesn't work!" A lack of respect for his fellow directors' latest enthusiasm.
« Last Edit: November 10, 2015, 01:45:03 pm by PaulMM (Overscan) »
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Re: Register HERE for access to Camm's Last Fighter Projects Extras Forum
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2015, 12:28:07 pm »
My copy had an unfortunate encounter with the local wildlife.
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2015, 03:22:10 pm »
Not the best of pictures, but here they are.

Thanks again for all your efforts.
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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2015, 11:00:15 pm »
Great rapid service and great content. Well done all.

On the move with a crap camera phone, At leasts its upside down so PM-M should be able to read it okay in NZ.

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« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2015, 08:38:10 am »
Got mine Tuesday within 24 hours of ordering it. Haven't read it yet but can't stop flicking through it. Very well illustrated!
It will probably go to the top of the to read pile after Nimrod's Genesis  :)

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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2015, 11:58:42 pm »
As Geoff can confirm, nobody else but me could have taken this photo... ;)



As I posted on What If Modelers, I thought the book was great. The drawings are very good indeed, and I particularly liked the insight into the working relationships inside Hawker.

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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2015, 01:19:55 am »
'I particularly liked the insight into the working relationships inside Hawker.'

That almost got cut, but I found it fascinating and increased the page count to keep it. Camm put me in mind of a somewhat malevolent Young Mr Grace.

Chris

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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2015, 02:35:50 am »
I've just read that bit. I'm very grateful that part made it to the book.

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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2015, 03:18:42 am »
It lives eh has arrived  B) in perfect condition  :)




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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2015, 07:25:07 am »
Hi
Thanks for producing this great book really looking forward to having a read in more depth and checking out the drawings that have been supplied, then I need to work out how to possibly make some NEW model patterns for it, maybe in a few scales. A friend was kind enough to purchase a book for me at Telford last week.

thanks Ali

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« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2015, 08:56:52 am »
Hello, can l be added as well please. Great book btw. Any more books in a similar vein, British post war might have been ?



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« Reply #29 on: November 21, 2015, 01:58:19 am »
At home again, started reading yesterday.
Review for the German Flugzeugforum will follow soon.

Jens

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