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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2012, 11:09:04 am »
Thank you!
Yes it is the master model for casting. Long been in unfinished form. I try to understand, it makes sense to finish and cast kit? What do you think?
The quality of castings will be something like:
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2012, 11:58:02 am »
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2012, 02:42:35 pm »
Yes it is the master model for casting. Long been in unfinished form. I try to understand, it makes sense to finish and cast kit? What do you think?

I'm not the best person to judge since I never worked on resin models before, only plastic... But for such a beautiful Rutan-related model such as this ARES, I'd be willing to have a go. Any idea of the unit price, even approximative?

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2012, 03:15:51 pm »
Price near U.S. $ 30. With clear casting canopy. It is cheaper than the Czech manufacturers for example.

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #34 on: April 25, 2013, 01:54:57 pm »
Awesome video. Is that me or does the aircraft's nose get thrown around a bit from the recoil? You'd think you'd be limited to short bursts if that were the case. Does anyone have any more info on this?

Obviously too much recoil, not enough thrust and definitely not enough weight.  Rutan has obviously made a compromise and the result is a weapon system which might not be quite what its proponents claim.
They put the nose gear assymetrically in A-10 to avoid these problems ARES experienced and rotary cannon in the middle.
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #35 on: April 25, 2013, 06:07:26 pm »
Obviously too much recoil, not enough thrust and definitely not enough weight.  Rutan has obviously made a compromise and the result is a weapon system which might not be quite what its proponents claim.
They put the nose gear assymetrically in A-10 to avoid these problems ARES experienceda and rotary cannon in the middle.

ARES was designed with asymmetry as well to offset recoil. Engine thrust and gun gas were both intended to provide recoil compensation, and the engine was mounted on the opposite side of the fuselage from the gun to prevent gun gas ingestion.

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #36 on: April 25, 2013, 11:05:36 pm »
Turbofan Killer Bee: Rutan ARES "Mudfighter" for U.S. Army Close Air Support  B)
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Obviously too much recoil, not enough thrust and definitely not enough weight.  Rutan has obviously made a compromise and the result is a weapon system which might not be quite what its proponents claim.
They put the nose gear assymetrically in A-10 to avoid these problems ARES experienceda and rotary cannon in the middle.

ARES was designed with asymmetry as well to offset recoil. Engine thrust and gun gas were both intended to provide recoil compensation, and the engine was mounted on the opposite side of the fuselage from the gun to prevent gun gas ingestion.

That is correct, but when you see this video closely it was not enuf..plane goes like crazy bronco once they start firing ( at 07:55 of the video ).



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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #37 on: April 25, 2013, 11:31:31 pm »
Better hang some small missiles on it, and leave the gun for a backup only. Brimstone?

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2013, 12:05:19 am »
 
That is correct, but when you see this video closely it was not enuf..plane goes like crazy bronco once they start firing ( at 07:55 of the video ).

Yet all the rounds land on target. Engineers: 1, Internet: 0.
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2013, 12:32:21 am »
Yet all the rounds land on target.

So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...
 
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #40 on: April 26, 2013, 02:44:53 am »
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...

They are falling short in that still which has nothing to do with the yaw brought about by the off axis gun but rather the pilot pressing the trigget a fraction too early.
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #41 on: April 26, 2013, 03:11:44 am »
In any case, I doubt very much that the U.S. Navy or Marine Corps would be looking to use something like the Ares as a cannon-armed gun platform--even the A-10's tank-hunting days are pretty much over.

But an updated Ares-like light ground attack jet, armored against small arms fire, carrying countermeasures against MANPADS and armed with light missiles like the AGM-176 Griffin and guided 2.75 in rockets would be very handy as an inexpensive COIN platform for the USA and allied nations around the world.  A couple of FN Browning M3 .50 caliber machine guns or one three-barreled GAU-19 .50 cal Gatling gun would provide flexibility in engaging thin-skinned ground targets, other aircraft and helicopters.  Air-to-Air Stinger could even be an option.

And you could buy, train, equip and operate a couple of squadrons of them for less than the price of one F-35.  I'm just saying....
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #42 on: April 26, 2013, 03:42:21 am »
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...

They are falling short in that still which has nothing to do with the yaw brought about by the off axis gun but rather the pilot pressing the trigget a fraction too early.
Me-109 was designed for the gun..it fired through the propellor hub..with devastating accuracy. Cannon barrel went though the engine literally.
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #43 on: April 26, 2013, 10:31:33 am »
So long as the target was the ground surrounding the truck, and not the truck itself...

They are falling short in that still...

Actually, if you watch the video, the rounds are sweeping from side to side just before that still (thus the "wall" of dirt), and then they strike *beyond* the truck. I didn't see *any* rounds actually hit the truck, which kinda dumps all over the claim that every round hit the target.
 
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #44 on: May 27, 2013, 04:38:10 pm »
I think that it looks a little marginal in yaw, given the aircrafts response to other manouveres.  The nose yaw is obvious in the HUD shots, when the gun fires but it doesn't really rule out the pilot yawing the aircraft to move over the target.