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Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« on: September 08, 2007, 11:14:10 pm »
One of most aesthetically appealing and meantime strangest Rutan's design - rarely seen two-seat version of it (Model 151-4). Drawings (c) Scaled Composites
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2007, 09:23:36 am »
Thanks flateric,

 I have always wondered if there had been consideration of a two seat version of the ARES.  I have pondered of late, with all the discussion ongoing over a COIN aircraft how the design would have done to meet the emerging requirement.  If memory serves it had a decent payload for its size and it was highly maneuverable as well.  I would assume it would have had a relatively low maintenance requirement as well.

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2007, 07:34:57 pm »
Too bad ARES won't be in consideration for the new CAS aircraft for the Iraqi Air Force.

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2007, 09:32:02 pm »
One of most aesthetically appealing and meantime strangest Rutan's design - rarely seen two-seat version of it (Model 151-4).

As I recollect, only the single ARES prototype was ever built?

I do find it interesting that the two seater would have retained the assymetrical intake - and possibly even GAU-12 gun?

It is worth pondering whether this ARES derivative would been a serious JPATS contender if the off-the-shelf requirement had been relaxed?

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2007, 04:53:02 am »
I am speculating somewhat here, but I think that the program was started as a US Army project and the USAF had nothing to do with it. The USAF having a slight phobia at Army projects (especially fixed wing projects) (not speculation), doomed it to a one aircraft demonstration.  I would be interested to have more than something of 'urban legend' on the program, is there a site or another thread with more information?

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2007, 07:47:37 am »
Model 151 called Agile Responsive Effective Support or short ARES

1981 the United States Army requested that a study be undertaken for a LCBAA or low cost battlefield attack aircraft.

with other word ARES is low cost A-10 Thunderbolt II !

can it be that Two Seat ARES is a Counter-insurgency (COIN) Aircraft  ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-insurgency#COIN_Aircraft
2 men crew, pilot and observer

other COIN Aircraft
OV-10 Bronco
O-2 Skymaster ( Cessna 337 Super Skymaster)
FMA IA 58 Pucará
A-37 Dragonfly
have two men Crew.
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2008, 06:28:23 am »


What a Sad history my friends, I like very much this design, I think it´s a wonderful solution for the increasing cost of the combat aircraft.

But the rivalry between the US ARMY and USAF and US NAVY is a very old history.

Saludos

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2008, 09:20:22 pm »

Here is the one seat version anyway ... may help in comparison

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2009, 12:55:06 am »
I know the Army's been asking for additional air support options, maybe someone decided the ARES concept was worth investigating again.
It's a crappy self-made pic of a Lockheed Unmanned Combat Armed Rotorcraft (UCAR), BTW
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2009, 09:21:29 am »
I know the Army's been asking for additional air support options, maybe someone decided the ARES concept was worth investigating again.

seems that you just haven't read the article)))
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2009, 02:46:37 pm »
I did. It doesn't say anything about B-2 testing specifically, or about any specific program. Either that, or I guess the B-2 has a much smaller radar than I thought.

EDIT: Unless it's in the box structure under the wing. Still seems kinda small, but the planform seems to closely match a B-2's nose. Still, I have to wonder why did they drag the ARES out for this then.
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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2009, 06:40:17 pm »
I know the Army's been asking for additional air support options, maybe someone decided the ARES concept was worth investigating again.

Nope

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2009, 04:42:41 am »
I did. It doesn't say anything about B-2 testing specifically, or about any specific program. Either that, or I guess the B-2 has a much smaller radar than I thought.

EDIT: Unless it's in the box structure under the wing. Still seems kinda small, but the planform seems to closely match a B-2's nose. Still, I have to wonder why did they drag the ARES out for this then.

Dimensions on the downward facing panels are about right for the B-2 radar antennas

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Re: Scaled Composites Model 151 ARES
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2009, 09:22:13 am »
Actually, why we'd think that these are new B-2 radar tests?
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