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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2008, 07:56:12 am »
First of several drawings. Drawing of *far* better quality, quantity and resolution will appear in a forthcoming issue of Aerospace Projects Review.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2008, 08:01:34 am »
An-2 with vertical silos.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2008, 08:05:11 am »
Too much expensive?
No mission?
Too complex by a technical point of view?


Yes to all.

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And what if in using VTOL?

VTOL aircraft were the plan. With the AN-1/AN-2, "Flying Carpet" boosters were to be used for takeoff, and landing was to be accomplished as a "tailsitter," which would certainly be entertaining on the high seas.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2008, 08:08:17 am »
An F11F modified for VTOL flight and for launching from the USS Grayback submarine (not from the AN-1/-2 subs).
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2008, 08:09:39 am »
The Mach 3 plane designed for use on the AN-1/-2 subs.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2008, 10:32:25 am »
Interesting stuff, if a bit far fetched.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2008, 11:12:29 am »
The tailsitter landing - like the X-13 - was about the only part I'd consider far-fetched. Otherwise the concept wasn't much different from Regulus or ICBM storage aboard subs.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2008, 12:12:09 pm »
The X-13 wasn't quite a tail-sitter.  Snagging a cable is probably a bit easier than landing like the Convair/Lockheed tail-sitters. 
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2008, 12:29:39 pm »
The X-13 wasn't quite a tail-sitter.  Snagging a cable is probably a bit easier than landing like the Convair/Lockheed tail-sitters. 

The "flying carpet" aircraft for the AN-1/AN-2 worked the same. Still, it'd be a hair-raising operation.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2008, 03:10:02 pm »
tell that to the combat reform people , they are more gung ho about these types than the freakiest secret projects geek!

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2008, 12:14:17 pm »
Somewhat it resembles a Typhoon-class submarine.

Why all these concepts of submarine-carrier has never come to life??
Too much expensive?
No mission?
Too complex by a technical point of view?

And what if in using VTOL?

so fare i know Boeing give Production price for AN series so 1.5 to 2 time more then Polaris sub.
not include development cost for Sub and Aircraft Prototypes
an a Mach 3 VTOL launch from Sub has billions $ price tags.

Mission ?
Surprise attack raid or bombing (Marines, Navy, C.I.A.)
defence of Polars Sub for enemies force
nuclear counterstrike

technical point of view?
a nightmar for pilot and sub crew
surface sub, pull Jet out hangar, move them vertical and launch them FAST ( even on ruff sea)
return mission the Pilot hat to land vertical on Flightdeck and not fall in to sea
lower down, then get fast in Hangar and Dive Dive Dive

and now start the fun for maintenance crew
crawling in Hangars, check the Jets replace faulty parts, rearm and refuel the Jets...

a annular wing Jet like SNECMA Coléoptère make more sense in AN-2 sub
how ever to land a Tailsiter VTOL on moving deck is really hell on earth for Pilots

A Jet seaplane makes more sense here
had Convair ever prosed a Sub Aircraftcarry with F2Y Sea Dart ?

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2008, 03:51:16 pm »
That has to be the most awesomely loopy idea I've seen in a while. Reminds me a bit of the steam-electric K-class, of which it was said simply: "Too many damn holes."

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2008, 05:30:28 pm »
Boeing, 1958...



How did this design happen? I thought they didn't HAVE crackpipes in 1958!

Seriously, I'd seen some of these but I'd always thought that their mission profile WAS that of a Regulus. That is, fly one way drop nuke and land or bail out over Turkey.

That recovery by the sub was considered is remarkable. I'm no airdale, but even a Brodie rig would seem preferable to tail sitting, and preferably something akin to skyhook, but then you'd need to be figuring on using a Kestrel which is a UK plane that hadn't flown yet.

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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2008, 05:41:54 pm »

That recovery by the sub was considered is remarkable. I'm no airdale, but even a Brodie rig would seem preferable to tail sitting...


Landing would have been accomplished used a setup similar to this:



Note that the landing rig shown here wasn't sloshing back and forth in the waves.
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Re: AN-1/AN-2 submarine "aircraft carrier"
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2008, 11:14:45 am »
does this submarine aircraft carrier become more feasible if we use unmanned aircraft?