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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #180 on: January 14, 2018, 02:20:05 pm »
Navy in 2016 considered 'frictionless' requirement for a 500-ship fleet

In 2016, the Navy considered a need for hundreds more warships than the 355 the service eventually decided represents the force-level goal needed to execute the Obama administration's defense strategy, according to a senior official involved in crafting the 2016 Force Structure Assessment.

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https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/navy-2016-considered-frictionless-requirement-500-ship-fleet

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #181 on: January 17, 2018, 06:40:35 am »
https://news.usni.org/2018/01/16/30631

Surface Navy Working to Bring Firepower Over the Horizon Through Networking, F-35 Integration
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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #183 on: January 18, 2018, 06:23:42 am »
Navy in 2016 considered 'frictionless' requirement for a 500-ship fleet

In 2016, the Navy considered a need for hundreds more warships than the 355 the service eventually decided represents the force-level goal needed to execute the Obama administration's defense strategy, according to a senior official involved in crafting the 2016 Force Structure Assessment.

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https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/navy-2016-considered-frictionless-requirement-500-ship-fleet

Expand the LCS program and aim to buy 3 sub $1 billion FFG(X) vessels a year at peak production would still not get them anywhere close. They could get there if they start counting UUVs ;)
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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #184 on: January 22, 2018, 04:08:25 pm »
Old radar types never die; they just phased array - Unknown

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #185 on: February 05, 2018, 03:48:09 pm »
Boeing did mention that there was a lot of foreign military interest in the extended range version.

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WASHINGTON, FEB. 5, 2018 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign
Military Sale to Finland of RGM-84Q-4 Harpoon Block II+ ER Grade B Surface-Launched Missiles and RGM-84L-4
Harpoon Block II Grade B Surface-Launched Missiles for an estimated cost of $622 million.  The Defense Security
 Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of Finland has requested a possible sale of one hundred (100) RGM-84Q-4 Harpoon Block II
Plus (+) Extended Range (ER) Grade B Surface-Launched Missiles, twelve (12) RGM-84L-4 Harpoon Block II
Grade B Surface-Launched Missiles, twelve (12) RGM-84Q-4 Harpoon Block II+ ER Grade B Surface-Launched
Upgrade Kits, four (4) RTM-84L-4 Harpoon Block II Grade B Exercise Surface-Launched Missiles, and four (4)
RTM-84Q-4 Harpoon Block II+ ER Grade B Exercise Surface-Launched Missiles.  Also included are containers,
spare and repair parts, support and test equipment, publications and technical documentation, personnel
training and training equipment, technical assistance, engineering and logistics support services, and other
related elements of logistical support.  The estimated total case value is $622 million.

This proposed sale will support the foreign policy and national security objectives of the United States by
improving the security of a partner nation that has been, and continues to be, an important force for political
stability and economic progress in Europe

Finland intends to use the missiles on its Hamina class ships, Multirole Corvette ships, and Coastal Batteries. 
The missiles will provide enhanced capabilities in effective defense of critical sea lanes.  The proposed sale of
the missiles and support will increase the Finnish Navy's maritime partnership potential and increase regional
security capability.  Finland has not purchased Harpoon Block II+ ER previously, but will have no difficulty
incorporating this capability into its armed forces.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #186 on: February 06, 2018, 03:35:30 am »
I hadn't seen the term Grade B applied to Harpoon before.  Turns out it refers to the type of launch canister used.  There's a lightweight canister (MK 6) intended mainly for FACs, a thick wall canister (MK 12) for the battleships, and the Grade B standard shock-resistant canister (MK 7) for everything else.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #188 on: February 16, 2018, 05:38:24 pm »
Five pretty much expected options. Pretty disappointed there was no comprehensive accounting of the bidders before this award, though, would have been interesting to see if there were more longshot bids like Atlas or if Eastern had submitted an OPC variant.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #189 on: February 16, 2018, 07:08:27 pm »
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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #190 on: February 16, 2018, 07:33:52 pm »
Five pretty much expected options. Pretty disappointed there was no comprehensive accounting of the bidders before this award, though, would have been interesting to see if there were more longshot bids like Atlas or if Eastern had submitted an OPC variant.

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The Navy would not confirm how many groups bid for the work. At least one U.S.-German team that was not selected for a design contract, Atlas USA and ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems, told USNI News they had submitted for the competition.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #191 on: February 17, 2018, 03:42:21 am »
I wonder why SK wasn't in the mix:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu-class_frigate

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #192 on: February 17, 2018, 05:07:51 am »
I wonder why SK wasn't in the mix:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daegu-class_frigate
A Korean co may have made an initial  bid,  but it hasn't  been publicized if so and the Navy isn't discussing bids which were outside the Top 5. My understanding a few months ago was that there were 9 or more total bidders, other than Atlas none were made public.

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #193 on: February 17, 2018, 05:08:44 am »
As the Navy develops the final RFP it would be interesting to see what path they take in terms of valuing growth over the lifetime. Really liking the FREMM here personally.

On the Harpoon, it seems a seeker upgrade is in the works...

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Re: Surface Ships Need More Offensive Punch, Outlook
« Reply #194 on: February 17, 2018, 11:46:40 am »


So the expected price is ~$900M BEFORE government furnished equipment, correct?  As in all the expensive radar and weapons systems.

Is there any idea what the government furnished equipment will cost for this ship?